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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Long term smokers are usually the ones that suffer the mental illness.
    Refer to links..
    If long term smokers have more problems then it follows that the more you smoke the worse it gets.
    So its not Bull**** by maybe but not me
    It is bull****. Everyone of those articles claimed that they didn't know if it was merely correlation and not causation.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    Sugar is addictive on a similar level to cannabis, I'll look for the article I posted elsewhere before.

    The studies state that they could not establish a causative effect of cannabis, so it's neither one way nor the other.
    Some people self-medicating with it and getting worse rather than better isn't a compelling argument for banning the substance.

    Your concerns are appropriate, but it is speculation.
    There is the Dutch model to consider, no significant increase there after de-criminalising.

    Sorry, I fail to follow this, come again?
    Sugar is as addictive as cannabis yes food can be addictive

    Its is clear by the links that there is a concern that cannabis causes mental health problems ..see links again.
    Even Portugeuse authorities think so.
    No matter how much you deny it there is evidence for it.
    We are going round in circles I provide links that show there is concern and you deny it.

    The last sentence did not refer to you.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is bull****. Everyone of those articles claimed that they didn't know if it was merely correlation and not causation.
    Your writing skills amount to posting bull**** and you reading skills are worse


    BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis link to depression

    Do you seriously expect you writing bull**** to be a more compelling agument than this post .
    Pot can make you delusional

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It is bull****. Everyone of those articles claimed that they didn't know if it was merely correlation and not causation.
    A correlation is still of concern.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    This comment by PROFFESOR Joseph Rey.
    Could and should carry more weight than life time of posts by tokers and lets make drug legal posters

    In an accompanying editorial Joseph Rey, professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of Sydney, said the studies backed up previous research.

    "These findings strengthen the argument that use of cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia and depression."

    But he added that further research is needed.

    "Whether the use of cannabis triggers the onset of schizophrenia or depression in otherwise vulnerable people or whether it actually causes these conditions in non-predisposed people is not yet resolved


    Further research is needed BEFORE cannabis should be considered to be legalised not after.
    I would not be willing to run the risk of causing many people mental health prolems just because tokers cannot be convinced that the poison that they take is not toxic.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    A correlation is still of concern.
    The only thing you can say about such studies is that a much higher percentage of people who smoke pot end up in serious depression or schizophrenia. Not that smoking pot triggers the onset of these diseases or that pot causes these diseases. Only that they correlate. They didn't do a control group or look to isolate the people genetically predisposed to depression or schizophrenia. They only observed the natural occurrence of pot smoking and mental illness. It is no surprise that people already at high risk of depression or schizophrenia concurrently seek self-medication through pot smoking. These users tend to be heavy users as well. Anecdote: I smoked 3-4 times a day for 23 years. I was a very heavy user. It was entirely self-medication. Once I got on proper medication, I put my bong away. To me, the high occurrence of heavy pot smoking is an indicator for mental illness and those users should be identified and treated. But heavy pot smoking is not the cause of mental illness.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    This comment by PROFFESOR Joseph Rey.
    Could and should carry more weight than life time of posts by tokers and lets make drug legal posters

    In an accompanying editorial Joseph Rey, professor of child and adolescent psychiatry at the University of Sydney, said the studies backed up previous research.

    "These findings strengthen the argument that use of cannabis increases the risk of schizophrenia and depression."

    But he added that further research is needed.

    "Whether the use of cannabis triggers the onset of schizophrenia or depression in otherwise vulnerable people or whether it actually causes these conditions in non-predisposed people is not yet resolved


    Further research is needed BEFORE cannabis should be considered to be legalised not after.
    I would not be willing to run the risk of causing many people mental health prolems just because tokers cannot be convinced that the poison that they take is not toxic.
    I trust my evaluations, more than some one who has no first hand experience with the topic. It's like people trying to talk about the affects of apples, who have never eaten one. Everybody is an expert now days.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Your writing skills amount to posting bull**** and you reading skills are worse


    BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis link to depression

    Do you seriously expect you writing bull**** to be a more compelling agument than this post .
    Pot can make you delusional
    As I'm sure you noticed after posting this, your own link contradicts your argument:

    "Whether the use of cannabis triggers the onset of schizophrenia or depression in otherwise vulnerable people or whether it actually causes these conditions in non-predisposed people is not yet resolved."

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Further research is needed BEFORE cannabis should be considered to be legalised not after.
    I would not be willing to run the risk of causing many people mental health prolems just because tokers cannot be convinced that the poison that they take is not toxic.
    Why does something have to be declared harmless for it to be legal? By your logic, recreational use of alcohol, tobacco, firearms, motor vehicles, swimming pools, and just about everything else should be illegal before marijuana. Nothing in life is harmless. People die from toasters and vending machines. Driving your car to buy some pot is more dangerous than ingesting it. Let people make up their own mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I trust my evaluations, more than some one who has no first hand experience with the topic. It's like people trying to talk about the affects of apples, who have never eaten one. Everybody is an expert now days.
    You don't have to fall off a cliff to see the effects of someone else doing it.

    Well, I don't have to. You might.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Further research is needed BEFORE cannabis should be considered to be legalised not after.
    I would not be willing to run the risk of causing many people mental health prolems just because tokers cannot be convinced that the poison that they take is not toxic.
    I disagree. It's current black market status means users get their drugs in an unregulated fashion right now. Legalizing will not increase the number of users, it will just take it off the black market. To do studies, you need users.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I have never heard of anybody od'ing on pot. Why do you cuss and insult me?
    I'm not insulting YOU, I'm insulting your insinuation. You need to understand the difference. Your argument is idiotic. Its ridiculous. Its hillariously bad. To argue that Water is more dangerous than Pot is ludicrous on so many levels its not funny.

    Now, as to "ODing" on weed I've never made that suggestion. My suggestion is that its ridiculous to say water is MORE dangerous because of that fact.

    For one, your body needs water. This is an item necessary for life to exist. You can not survive without having water of some kind on a relatively regular basis. This is not the case for marijuana. So to start off water has a large positive, one Marijuana will never and can never touch....it physically helps keep you alive. Marijuana is a non-essential thing you add into your body.

    While mild compared to Alcohol and some hard drug withdrawls, there is still withdrawl symptoms associated with Marijuana. There is legitimately studied memory issues in the short term associated with Marijuana and some studies suggest long term potential damage. There is evidence of it impariing coordination and critical thinking, both of which would be determinental when ones is driving. While not physically addictive, there is legitimate studied and anecdotal evidence of it being psychologically addictive. While not the cause of the manifestation of various mental medical issues, there is evidence to suggest that it may act as an excellerant or trigger for such things if already present with the individual.

    I'm sorry, but all of that fully and completely trumps the potential dangers of simply drinking water.

    If you want to talk about the dangers of contaminated water, fine, but then you have to talk about marijuana laced with other substances as well.

    If you want to talk about water intoxication (the overdosing you're talking about) then you're generally talking about water consumption PLUS another action....either a contest causing one to drink extremely unusually large amounts and stop bodily functions from occuring or extremely strenuous sports activity done in an unsafe manner is typically the cause...which in that case you need to talk about smoking pot PLUS driving and other such "Pot + something else" situations.

    No, you can take your stereotypical pathetic "pothead hippy rhetoric" elsewhere, because as I said previously, those kind of ridiculous arguments are part of the reason why pot is not likely to be legalized within the next decade. You are the pot movements equivilent to 9/11 truthers or Obama Birthers, you are so deluded in your arguments and so exaggerated in your debate that you embarress those that agree with you causing them to have to argue against you while simultaneously causing the entire movement to look like you and the rest of those in the extreme wing of it to those members of the public that are in the middle and are the key group to either getting it legalized or not.

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