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Thread: Should marijuana be legalized?

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, you really cut to the point of my comment

    Godwin's law, anecdotal experience, linguist nazi. You truly are a walking ball of typical cop outs and invalid debate techniques aren't you?
    Why do you resort to insults?

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    No, tobacco, or rather the chemicals inhaled, are at least a contributing cause of cancer.
    "Trigger" and "cause" are different terms, and there are very good reasons when a scientific study uses one but not the other.

    I responded already.
    And how does this translate to cannabis? Are you referring to the psychotropic properties or the adverse health effects of the inhaled burned organic material?
    Trigger and cause have very little difference to the victim.
    Mental problems triggered by cannabis are ok because they were already latent are they?
    Some people are genetically prone to cancers so tobacco smoke may trigger the cells to become cancerous.
    I dont really think you have an argument by arguing the difference between trigger and cause.


    I am refferring to the adverse effects of each drug.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Why do you resort to insults?
    Not an insult, just an obersvation of your debate style. I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting your arguments, which for the most part have in a variety of threads I've ran into have often been things like anecdotal evidence put across as if its absolute fact, gross exaggerations and misdirections, idiotic appeals to hilter and nazi's, or complaining that smeone said a word wrong instead of actually dealing with the material.

    You do not leave much to actual debate, or talk about, as far as substance goes because you don't leave much substance. When I make an entire post answering your question and explaining my position on anecdotal evidence your only response is to bitch about me saying "take" instead of "smoke". What do I have to comment on, or respond to, other than your rather worthless debate technique of trying to nit pick on a word I use rather than deal with what I actually SAID.

    Here's a tip, don't want people complaining about your poor responses...stop giving poor responses.

    Why is your anecdotal evidence that you never had issues with pot any more relevant, worthwhile, factual, or useful than someone elses anecdotal evidence that it was harmful to themselves or someone they knew? Why is your anecdotal evidence more worthwhile, relevant, factual, or useful than an actual scientific study? Why should anyone care about your anecdotal evidence when you present it as an undisputable fact yet dismiss anyone's anecdotal evidence that disagree's with yours?

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You don't "take" marijuana, you smoke it.
    You can eat it or drink it.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    As it happens, I do have extensive life experience, both of personal use and friendships with "dope-fiends", but I indulged in marijuana only for about a year in my late teens - it's not for me, and legalising it would not tempt me in the slightest.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Trigger and cause have very little difference to the victim.
    Mental problems triggered by cannabis are ok because they were already latent are they?
    It does make a difference when you are establishing the causative effects of cannabis to justify its illegal status.
    No, mental problems are not "ok", I wish you'd refrain from posing silly suggestive questions.

    Some people are genetically prone to cancers so tobacco smoke may trigger the cells to become cancerous.
    I dont really think you have an argument by arguing the difference between trigger and cause.
    I don't think you have an argument by comparing cancer caused or triggered by tobacco smoke to mental health issues.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You don't "take" marijuana, you smoke it.
    You can eat it. And there are Nicotine patches and gums. Nicotine itself is still deadly, but at least those eliminate the risk of emphysema and lung cancer. Regular pot smokers actually have a higher risk of lung cancer than cigarette smokers, because they generally don't use a filter. That is one reason why a legitimate doctor would never prescribe marijuana cigarettes to a patient. But pot brownies eliminate this risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Custard can't.
    Sounds like someone has never experienced a sugar high.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Their study of more than 50,000 men found those who had smoked the drug in the late 1960s were 30% more likely to have developed schizophrenia
    In a similar study, 85% of children who hear imaginary voices develop schizophrenia in adulthood. That's a joke, but you see the point? Perhaps people prone to depression or schizophrenia seek out drugs, rather than the other way around.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Fine words dont solve the problem.
    If you allow all drugs to be legalised you will have a strung out stoned druggies for citizens,.IMO
    If you ban drugs you have a organised criminals making money from what should be a non crime in your opinion.
    We already have strung out stoned druggies for citizens. The difference is, under the current system they have to resort to crime to pay for their addiction. And the profit margins are so high that the drug trade pays for organized crime and terrorist states. The drug war wastes billions of tax dollars. And the prisons are full of non-violent offenders, so much so that the people who are actually dangerous to society are let out early.

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Portugal seems to be trying to reduce the amount of drug use without prosecuting the user which is brilliant and if can be done would of course be far better than prohibition but the people on this thread that want to decriminalise pot do not want to stop using it..they want to use it as much as they like without fear of prosecution.
    So the aim of the portuguese government is different from the premise of this thread.
    But thank you for the Portuguese reference I didnt know about that.
    I've never used any illegal drugs and I still want them decriminalized. So your ignorant generalization there is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You can tell who the potheads are by their fervent defense of legalization.
    Wrong, not a pothead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    So true,...

    Just as you can pretty much tell (in the abortion threads) who has and who has not hired someone to,....
    Wrong, never caused a pregnancy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem is some people are having to argue against people who aren't actually being logical about it like you, and are making outrageously idiotic and worthless claims like WATER is more dangerous for you than marijuana and that there's nothing bad about it.
    Water is more dangerous. I wouldn't recommend inhaling.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Not an insult, just an obersvation of your debate style. I'm not insulting you, I'm insulting your arguments, which for the most part have in a variety of threads I've ran into have often been things like anecdotal evidence put across as if its absolute fact, gross exaggerations and misdirections, idiotic appeals to hilter and nazi's, or complaining that smeone said a word wrong instead of actually dealing with the material.

    You do not leave much to actual debate, or talk about, as far as substance goes because you don't leave much substance. When I make an entire post answering your question and explaining my position on anecdotal evidence your only response is to bitch about me saying "take" instead of "smoke". What do I have to comment on, or respond to, other than your rather worthless debate technique of trying to nit pick on a word I use rather than deal with what I actually SAID.

    Here's a tip, don't want people complaining about your poor responses...stop giving poor responses.

    Why is your anecdotal evidence that you never had issues with pot any more relevant, worthwhile, factual, or useful than someone elses anecdotal evidence that it was harmful to themselves or someone they knew? Why is your anecdotal evidence more worthwhile, relevant, factual, or useful than an actual scientific study? Why should anyone care about your anecdotal evidence when you present it as an undisputable fact yet dismiss anyone's anecdotal evidence that disagree's with yours?
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by roderic View Post
    It does make a difference when you are establishing the causative effects of cannabis to justify its illegal status.
    No, mental problems are not "ok", I wish you'd refrain from posing silly suggestive questions.

    I don't think you have an argument by comparing cancer caused or triggered by tobacco smoke to mental health issues.
    I wish you would refrain from using the difference between trigger and cause as a bogus argument.

    They both are health problems caused by ingesting drugs or the toxins that are with them.. the argument stands.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Pass the cough syrup.

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