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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    If smoking pot has alleviated your mental illness then good for you.
    For some it has the opposite effect.
    Where's your documentation? I don't believe you.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    You no a play a the game. You a no make a the rules, angry beaver.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis link to depression

    THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE

    Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA

    Schizophrenia.com - Marijuana Cannabis and Schizophrenia


    These articles seem pretty even handed. As I stated,it is the high thc cannabis that imo is a problem but just how many people need to be at risk to deny you your spliff?
    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Where's your documentation? I don't believe you.
    All right , all right I'm searching as fast as I can!

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    You no a play a the game. You a no make a the rules, angry beaver.
    I have been mercilessly chastised and am a better person for it.
    But still angry.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    If any one needs validation on most any topic, feel free to call on me.--I never let the facts, get in the way of a good story.
    "Don't be particular bout nothin, but the company you keep"

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    All right , all right I'm searching as fast as I can!
    It is the old causation versus correlation argument:

    Marijuana and Mental Health
    A number of studies have shown an association between chronic marijuana use and increased rates of anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and schizophrenia. Some of these studies have shown age at first use to be a factor, where early use is a marker of vulnerability to later problems. However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence. Chronic marijuana use, especially in a very young person, may also be a marker of risk for mental illnesses, including addiction, stemming from genetic or environmental vulnerabilities, such as early exposure to stress or violence. At the present time, the strongest evidence links marijuana use and schizophrenia and/or related disorders.6 High doses of marijuana can produce an acute psychotic reaction; in addition, use of the drug may trigger the onset or relapse of schizophrenia in vulnerable individuals.
    In my experience, and in discussions with other users of marijuana, marijuana use is often a self-medication situation where other previous diseases are dealt with. That this often is the case with depression and schizophrenia should be no surprise as diagnosis and treatment can be difficult, but self-medication can be relieving.

    I strenuously object to the idea that smoking pot causes these diseases.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    All right , all right I'm searching as fast as I can!
    link 1: Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA

    However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.
    link 2: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis link to depression

    Whether the use of cannabis triggers the onset of schizophrenia or depression in otherwise vulnerable people or whether it actually causes these conditions in non-predisposed people is not yet resolved.
    link 3: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html

    Additional research is being conducted concerning the use of marijuana on the treatment of anxiety and mental disorders.
    link 4: Schizophrenia.com - Marijuana Cannabis and Schizophrenia

    the younger a person smokes/uses cannabis, the higher the risk for schizophrenia, and the worse the schizophrenia is when the person does develop it.
    and furthermore:

    Overall people were 4.5 times more likely to be schizophrenic at 26 if they were regular cannabis smokers at 15, compared to 1.65 times for those who did not report regular use until age 18

    The case is not as cut and dry as you would like it, and the final link I quoted is almost exclusively showing the elevated risk associated with usage while still juvenile. If anything it underscores the need to get marijuana usage out of the hands of our youth, something that we cannot do with an uncontrolled black market distribution

    lets not kid ourselves, there are potential harms to marijuana usage, just as there are potential harms with virtually everything. As it stands currently the only thing prohibition does is compound these problems. These problems exist with or without prohibition, we are spending so much time and effort dealing with the crime problem that we cannot focus on the drug problem.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    I got about half an ounce of Hydro here, that needs some serious analytical work done on it.--- You can count on me in a pinch, I'm on it.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    link 1: Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA



    link 2: BBC NEWS | Health | Cannabis link to depression



    link 3: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/evidence99/marijuana/Health_1.html



    link 4: Schizophrenia.com - Marijuana Cannabis and Schizophrenia



    and furthermore:




    The case is not as cut and dry as you would like it, and the final link I quoted is almost exclusively showing the elevated risk associated with usage while still juvenile. If anything it underscores the need to get marijuana usage out of the hands of our youth, something that we cannot do with an uncontrolled black market distribution

    lets not kid ourselves, there are potential harms to marijuana usage, just as there are potential harms with virtually everything. As it stands currently the only thing prohibition does is compound these problems.
    Well at least you agree that pot is not a completly benign drug.
    There has not been a great deal of research on the long term use of cannabis but there seems to be , as I said, documented evidence to show that cannabis can exacerbate mental illness..its not cut and dried but its there.
    You are certainly correct that it seems the damage seems far worse in young people.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    Well at least you agree that pot is not a completly benign drug.
    There has not been a great deal of research on the long term use of cannabis but there seems to be , as I said, documented evidence to show that cannabis can exacerbate mental illness..its not cut and dried but its there.
    You are certainly correct that it seems the damage seems far worse in young people.
    I think of it firmly in the realm of a strong indicator for pre-existing illness and not a causation of that illness. It is not a completely benign drug, as it has impacts on memory, but I absolutely do not believe it causes depression or schizophrenia.

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