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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsunami View Post
    For people who say ALL drugs should be legal.. I tend to agree that the drug war is a bad idea. But does this include Rohypnol and other so-called "date rape drugs"? Does this include tranquilizers or anesthetics such as chloroform that could be used as a weapon? Does this include antibiotics that produce drug-resistant disease strains when taken unnecessarily? Does this include chemical weapons or other substances used in their development?
    If you want to take a date-rape drug, why shouldn't you be allowed. I doubt it will get you too far though.


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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    Without more specifics being linked to the poll question,... I can't vote.

    In reference to the poll question,... are we to consider pot being 'legal' like cigarettes? Or like booze?

    They are two completely different vices.

    Think open containers, second hand smoke, public buildings, operating machinery, driving school busses,. etc.

    Would it be legal to drive and smoke pot if pot were to be made legal?

    The poll question is too vague for me,...

    that's all.
    I am talking about complete refer madness. I am talking completely legal. Stay stoned to the bone and let er rip. It's called freedom.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    A spliff which is strong enough to chill you out is better than one that is strong enough to knock you out.
    That's right.
    And a kid offered either will pull on each the same way.
    I would not serve someone a beerglass full of whiskey and then loudly wonder what difference it makes, either.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    But for those who think legalizing pot will give a punk ass drug dealer to quit selling on the streets and take up a job working a drive through somewhere? ...
    No, but the smart ones will get a loan for their legitimate licensed business and open a smoke-shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I have some first hand experiences that lead me to conclude that you are completely wrong about that.

    I seen the 'gateway' aspect up close and personal on more than one occasion.
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    First hand experience can be very compelling on a personal level, but it is anecdotal evidence, I'd be careful drawing general conclusions from it.
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    Thumbs up Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I am talking about complete refer madness. I am talking completely legal. Stay stoned to the bone and let er rip. It's called freedom.
    Thanks,...

    Then my vote is a no.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I have some first hand experiences that lead me to conclude that you are completely wrong about that.

    I seen the 'gateway' aspect up close and personal on more than one occasion.

    In my opinion, You do your side a dis-service by denying or ignoring it.
    your anecdotal evidence that is an ad hoc fallacy is not very relevant.


    that whole gateway thing is a huge misrepresentation that the ONDCP dropped like a sack of wet potatoes after a report they sanctioned came up with this:

    it is the legal status of marijuana that makes it a gateway drug.
    Marijuana as Medicine - Assessing the Science Base - Institute of Medicine Report

    more details scattered across several posts here:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1058440770

    It was the ONDCP that determined the gateway hypothesis undermined their position. I will not ignore it, I will tackle it head on.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    NO I said: "low THC marijuana is arguably MORE dangerous in that you have to smoke more of it to get the same effect."



    a person will smoke as much as it take to get the desired effect. If the desired effect is to get knocked out then they will smoke more until they do get knocked out.

    concentration has no bearing

    As for the absinthe I have read that wormwood has similar effects as thc .
    Wrong or right the argument stands.
    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Here read some more, we will go with ease and convenience from a basic source:



    Thujone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    it is not the same, nor are the effects the same.



    Than I will confidently sit on the merits of my position.




    resorting to irrelevant personal swipes already?

    Have not been for years, a desire to use does not weigh into my stance on prohibition in any way shape or form.
    The danger of high concentrations of thc in cannabis is that the effect is that the toker gets wasted anyway.
    A bottle of beer and a bottle of whisky has the concentration of alchohol written on the bottle.
    It doesnt follow that one will put less bud in a spliff it is stronger..so people get used to smoking strong spliffs from the start.
    Saying that having to smoke more joints to get to the same level of being stoned is more dangerous is just stupid.

    Whatever the effects of absinthe is does not alter my original argument.
    You compared it to comparing one form of alchohol with another..it wasnt but you seem to think that by stating that thujone has a different effect than thc has any bearing on the argument..you are just opening up another argument to disguise the weakness it your original point.

    You can happily sit on what you want, your argument is weak and pointless.


    Cannibis is a dangerous drunk that really should be banned. If that is impossible then the higher thc forms should be banned and the weaker ones allowed to be used.
    Its a compromise a bad one but a compromise all the same.
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    fyi Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    your anecdotal evidence that is an ad hoc fallacy is not very relevant. ... I will not ignore it, I will tackle it head on.
    Do what you will.

    Calling my personal experiences annecdotal doesn't change my feelings on the matter. If anything, your defensiveness solidifys my views on it.

    But I digress,...

    There's bigger fish to be fried elsewhere.

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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I hear this argument a lot, but it doesn't make sense to me. There are heavy taxes on tobacco, but you don't see people growing it in their basements to get around paying the tax.

    As far as the issue in general goes, I'm fairly neutral towards it. There are some benefits and drawbacks to legalizing it in about equal measure. At the very least it should be legalized for medical use.
    Funny how people just take for granted that eveything they enjoy should be taxed. How does that make any difference, as for as it being harmful or not?? To just tax everything we do, serves no purpose. It only hurts those paying the tax.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chuz Life View Post
    I have some first hand experiences that lead me to conclude that you are completely wrong about that.

    I seen the 'gateway' aspect up close and personal on more than one occasion.

    In my opinion, You do your side a dis-service by denying or ignoring it.
    I been a close friend of Pot, since 64. I have tried most everything, but only do Pot and Cold Beers. One never lead to the other. the Human curiosity is what does that. Plus some folks just have addictive personalities. It's all up to the individual. Pot is no big deal, unless you get busted with it.
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    Re: Should marijuana be legalized?

    Quote Originally Posted by angrybeaver View Post
    The danger of high concentrations of thc in cannabis is that the effect is that the toker gets wasted anyway.
    A bottle of beer and a bottle of whisky has the concentration of alchohol written on the bottle.
    It doesnt follow that one will put less bud in a spliff it is stronger..so people get used to smoking strong spliffs from the start.
    I agree.

    Cannibis is a dangerous drunk that really should be banned. If that is impossible then the higher thc forms should be banned and the weaker ones allowed to be used.
    Its a compromise a bad one but a compromise all the same.
    I don't think distinguishing between strengths is a feasible criterium to ban one and not the other.
    It can be handled similarly to alcohol, disclosure of composition on the packaging. Or colour coding.
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