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Who's at fault?

is whaling wrong?


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The fat whale d00d, is an incompetant pirate, who should be shot.


HE should also be held criminally liable for damages and injury....


they are attacking the japanese fleet, should they not defend themselves?
 
i saw the video clip last night, the whalers seemed to be in the right according to colregs. the protesters took this too far, imo. they were at fault for this crash.

as for whaling, i don't like it.




They are pirates who attack other vessels.... You cant chase down ships, throw stink bombs, and prop foulers at these ships, then cry when your sorry ass gets rightfully rammed.
 
If the whaling ship deliberately rammed the protesters ship, then the whaling ship is at fault.

Controlled whaling is no worse than controlled deer hunting. As long as animal species aren't wiped out and can sustain themselves, there's nothing wrong with hunting them.
 
If the whaling ship deliberately rammed the protesters ship, then the whaling ship is at fault.


I watched that sea shephard show, and, it should be used in court to make a clear case of self defense.


Controlled whaling is no worse than controlled deer hunting. As long as animal species aren't wiped out and can sustain themselves, there's nothing wrong with hunting them.

agreed.
 
If the whaling ship deliberately rammed the protesters ship, then the whaling ship is at fault.

Controlled whaling is no worse than controlled deer hunting. As long as animal species aren't wiped out and can sustain themselves, there's nothing wrong with hunting them.
didn't look like that to me........i'd bet the whaling ship won't be found liable.
 
Controlled whaling is no worse than controlled deer hunting. As long as animal species aren't wiped out and can sustain themselves, there's nothing wrong with hunting them.

the thing about that is whaling for food is illegal, and most whale species are endangered already
 
The fat whale d00d, is an incompetant pirate, who should be shot.


HE should also be held criminally liable for damages and injury....


they are attacking the japanese fleet, should they not defend themselves?

defend themselves from an immobile boat?
clearly the japanese ship knew where the smaller craft was to be able to target the water guns at them
the obligation of the larger vessel was to avoid the other boat; instead, it rammed that boat
international rules for avoiding collision (excerpt):
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6. Safe speed
Any vessel must proceed at a safe speed, which she can to take action to avoid collision and able to stop within the distance for the prevailing conditions (including the visibility, weather, traffic condition, background lights, her manoevrability (e.g. stopping distance and turning circles) and draft in relation with the available water).
When radar is in use, also consider if there is any limitations of the equipment, range scale in use, weather and other interference, weak targets, targets density and movement, and use radar to judge the visibility is much accurate for objects nearby.
7. Risk of Collision
Vessels must use all available means to determine the risk of a collision, including the use of radar (if available) to get early warning of the risk of collision by radar plotting or equivalent systematic observation of detected objects. (e.g. ARPA, AIS).
If the distance of any vessel is reduced and her compass bearing does not change much or a large vessel or towing vessel at close distance or if in doubt, risk of collision shall be deemed to exist.
8. Action to avoid collision
Actions taken to avoid collision should be:
positive
obvious
made in good time
...
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Regulations_for_Preventing_Collisions_at_Sea]International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
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Now that that is out of the way, I'll address the OP.

Without seeing the full unedited video, I can't rightly say who is at "fault", but based on what I saw from the show "Whale Wars" I'd be inclined to think it will end up being the protester's fault that they got rammed.

BTW, if you call your cause a war, you better expect some casualties.
 
the thing about that is whaling for food is illegal, and most whale species are endangered already

Did Japan agree to abide by this law?

Prove that Japan isn't hunting them for scientific purposes.
 
defend themselves from an immobile boat?
clearly the japanese ship knew where the smaller craft was to be able to target the water guns at them
the obligation of the larger vessel was to avoid the other boat; instead, it rammed that boat
international rules for avoiding collision (excerpt):
International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Ok, so I can try to cripple your boat, chase you down, prop foul you, and throw stink bombs at you, over and over again. But if I ever see you on the see attacking me I cant ram you?


Idiocy. I'd of shot em, sank em, then played like I never saw those idiots.
 
Did Japan agree to abide by this law?

Prove that Japan isn't hunting them for scientific purposes.


The meal in front of me at Ganso Kujiraya in Tokyo is enough to turn the stomach of even casual conservationists. They would find little to trouble the conscience in the bowls of steaming rice and miso soup, or the side dishes of mitsuba leaves and radish pickles. But the centrepiece, seven perfectly rectangular slices of glistening ruby-red whale flesh, transforms this otherwise unremarkable Japanese dish into what is arguably the world’s most politically sensitive lunch.

Big Sushi | The Monthly

There were tons of articles about this.
 
I don't like the tactics that the protesters resort to with the harassment of the whaling ships.

I don't like the fact that the Japanese are whaling for meat and use a technicality to get away with it.

Both are wrong.

The simple solution might be to change the treaty and not allow the whale meat to be sold in markets.
 
well if they didnt, why would they be hiding behind scientific research?

how much is there about whales to learn?
and why does most of the whale end up at a restraunt?

1- I have no idea

2- I'm not a whalologist, so I have no idea what they still don't know

3- so it doesn't go to waste? ;)
 
I don't like the tactics that the protesters resort to with the harassment of the whaling ships.

I don't like the fact that the Japanese are whaling for meat and use a technicality to get away with it.

Both are wrong.

The simple solution might be to change the treaty and not allow the whale meat to be sold in markets.





"prop fouling" iswhat they were doing.



Ships Collide In Antarctic Whaling Clash - CBS News



The Institute of Cetacean Research, the non-profit organization that conducts the hunt, said the Ady Gil came "within collision distance" of the Nisshin Maru's bow and repeatedly dangled a rope in the water that could have entangled the ship's rudder and propeller.

The Ady Gil's crew lobbed small projectiles designed to release a foul smell, and the whalers responded by firing high-powered hoses to keep the Sea Shepherd vessels away, the institute said in a statement.


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Here they are clearly aiming something at the ship.


the ship had a right to defend themself from these terrorists.
 
I have no problem with whaling, just as I would have no problem eating an endangered species.
 
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