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Thread: Who's at fault?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    No, the Japanese whalers refuse to take the hint that they aren't welcome in Australian waters, the Australian govt. are to intimidated to take action, and so the protestors try to run them out instead. Besides, wouldn't the coast guard also use "assault tactics" (i.e. force) to put a stop to it?
    The coast guard is the legally invested authority in the waters per the Australian people. Vigilantes are not. Surely you understand the difference?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    If the whaling ship deliberately rammed the protesters ship, then the whaling ship is at fault.
    When the pirates are busy trying to damage their vessel?

    Hardly.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    this is ridiculous. why they were hunting the whales, in this case, makes no difference.

    So you are admitting that it doesn't matter if it is for research or for food?

    neither group is in the right here. we were not discussing the things should be, but the way they are.
    You have no evidence that these people where hunting for food instead of research. The fact that whale meat wind up in a supermarket does not disprove that they were hunting for research. What? You think they are just going to toss thousands of pounds of meat into the trash bin after they are done dissecting and running tests on it?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are admitting that it doesn't matter if it is for research or for food?


    You have no evidence that these people where hunting for food instead of research. The fact that whale meat wind up in a supermarket does not disprove that they were hunting for research. What? You think they are just going to toss thousands of pounds of meat into the trash bin after they are done dissecting and running tests on it?
    forget it, james.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    the thing about that is whaling for food is illegal, and most whale species are endangered already
    Irrelevant.

    The Sea Shepherd pirates are taking the law into their own hands and deserve whatever happens to them.

    Do you cry when an arsonist sets himself on fire in the act of trying to burn down a building?

    I don't.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes


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    So if Feminist blocked access to a strip joint or themed family restaurant such as Hooters you would think it was civil disobedience

    I am in favor, for instance, of the tactics that were utilized by civil rights protesters during the 1960s...lunch counter sit-ins, bus boycotts, refusing to move, and marches.
    Does it depend where they chain themselves like for example to the doors of businesses?
    No. However, the term "intimidation" is subjective. I am not in favor, for instance, of the limits that have been put in place specifically on abortion protesters, because of the argument that their presence was "intimidating" to patients. I consider that bollocks.
    I think those limits have been struck down. I could be wrong.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are admitting that it doesn't matter if it is for research or for food?


    You have no evidence that these people where hunting for food instead of research. The fact that whale meat wind up in a supermarket does not disprove that they were hunting for research. What? You think they are just going to toss thousands of pounds of meat into the trash bin after they are done dissecting and running tests on it?
    Oh, I think it's pretty obvious that the Japs are killing whales for food, not research.

    So what? That's a matter for the international courts and the law, not pirates.

    In other words, it's irrelevant.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    I would have sympathy for the Sea Shepherd pirates if their actions where aimed at making Japan's harvesting of whales unprofitable by making the whales leave the vicinity of the whaling vessel.

    But since they choose to engage in piracy instead, they get what they deserve.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The coast guard is the legally invested authority in the waters per the Australian people. Vigilantes are not. Surely you understand the difference?
    Well it is not illegal in Australia to make a citizen's arrest if there are reasonable grounds of suspicion that someone is breaking the law. Why shouldn't it follow that citizen's can't enforce a law (which is presumably invested by them) that their government refuses to enforce?

    And if the whalers didn't want their vessels vandalized they shouldn't have been breaking the law in the first place. In my view they got what was coming to them, and I should hope that appropriate legal action is taken against them.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Was I somehow unclear? I thought "prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" was pretty specific.

    That was me admitting I didn't pay attention to the qualifier.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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