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Thread: Who's at fault?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That doesn't justify the tactics of the protesters, imo.
    mine either, and i made that clear in another post. ;-)

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Yes, civil disobedience is fine, as long as no one is harmed.

    However, the protesters have to recognize that if they are violating any laws or local ordinances, they will likely be arrested. That's part of civil disobedience.
    These "protesters" engage in assault tactics, they aren't just shouting insults and slogans, they are engaging in tactics that damage and cripple vessels, for that alone I have zero sympathy for them, and if one of the protest ships happen to get sunk, well, good riddance. Also, this is only one phase of these enviro nuts "civil disobedience" other examples are trespassing on private property and chaining themselves to loggers trees, spiking trees so that chainsaw blades will snap and injure employees, the ELF torching a car dealership that specializes in SUV's(in an ironic twist, the damaged caused by this released more pollutants per vehicle than they ever would have in their operative lives), burning homes where these groups don't think people should live(trespassing, arson, criminal damage to property), etc. etc. No, this isn't civil disobedience, this is active physical and criminal syndication.

    I do not support destruction of property as a form of civil disobedience. It should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
    Then you are against these protesters.
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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Your argument was "no, they are trying to stop people from hunting whales under the guise of research. wrong tactics, though." Meaning these people do not care if they are hunting them for food or research.

    If it illegal for one group of people to hunt an animal for food then it should be illegal for everybody.
    this is ridiculous. why they were hunting the whales, in this case, makes no difference. neither group is in the right here. we were not discussing the things should be, but the way they are.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm not one of those people. I have no problems with passive civil disobedience, but I have zero tolerance for thugs who want to use violence and property damage to impose their will on everyone else. I think they should be chained to the sidewalk in Time's Square for patriots and bums alike to spit on.
    What do you define as passive? Preventing access? Chaining yourself to property? Intimidation?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Then you are against these protesters.
    Was I somehow unclear? I thought "prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" was pretty specific.


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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Whaling is not wrong.

    Whaling to the point of driving a species extinct is not wise.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Then the protesters should have notified the Australian authorities, and waited for the Aussie Navy and/or coast guard folks to show up and handle their business. They also could attempt to keep their boats between the whales and the whalers. And, they should have used their cameras and recorders to document the law violations that they observed for the use of the relevant government authorities. I do not consider vandals and vigilantes to be helpful to the cause of protecting vulnerable wildlife populations. When all is said and done, they're criminals like the criminals they're ostensibly fighting.

    The end DOES NOT justify engaging in criminal tactics.
    No, the Japanese whalers refuse to take the hint that they aren't welcome in Australian waters, the Australian govt. are too intimidated to take action, and so the protestors try to run them out instead. Besides, wouldn't the coast guard also use "assault tactics" (i.e. force) to put a stop to it?
    Last edited by surrealistpenguin; 01-07-10 at 01:45 PM.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    What do you define as passive?
    Preventing access?
    Yes

    Chaining yourself to property?
    Yes

    I am in favor, for instance, of the tactics that were utilized by civil rights protesters during the 1960s...lunch counter sit-ins, bus boycotts, refusing to move, and marches.

    Intimidation?
    No. However, the term "intimidation" is subjective. I am not in favor, for instance, of the limits that have been put in place specifically on abortion protesters, because of the argument that their presence was "intimidating" to patients. I consider that bollocks.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ....really?
    Really....

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    So the Sea Shepherd pirates finally get the collision they've been trying to cause for years now.

    They should be sued for interfering with the lawful activities of a vessel.

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