View Poll Results: is whaling wrong?

Voters
49. You may not vote on this poll
  • yes

    30 61.22%
  • no

    19 38.78%
Page 7 of 21 FirstFirst ... 5678917 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 70 of 202

Thread: Who's at fault?

  1. #61
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that surrounding the whales to protect them should be legal. I support legal means of protest and I also support educating the American and Japanese people about the cruelty of these practices so that there is political pressure to renegotiate the fishing treaties.

    The problem with these tactics is that they put the attention on the protesters, and not on what is ostensibly being protected. The focus should only, ever, be on the whales.
    So physically trying to prevent a business from operating is acceptable to you?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  2. #62
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    james, the japanese are hunting the whales illegally. period.
    That doesn't justify the tactics of the protesters, imo.

  3. #63
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So physically trying to prevent a business from operating is acceptable to you?
    Yes, civil disobedience is fine, as long as no one is harmed.

    However, the protesters have to recognize that if they are violating any laws or local ordinances, they will likely be arrested. That's part of civil disobedience.

    I do not support destruction of property as a form of civil disobedience. It should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 01-07-10 at 01:17 PM.

  4. #64
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    james, the japanese are hunting the whales illegally. period.

    what don't you understand about that statement?
    Your argument was "no, they are trying to stop people from hunting whales under the guise of research. wrong tactics, though." Meaning these people do not care if they are hunting them for food or research.

    If it illegal for one group of people to hunt an animal for food then it should be illegal for everybody.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  5. #65
    Klattu Verata Nicto
    LaMidRighter's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Louisiana
    Last Seen
    07-21-17 @ 02:42 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    30,534

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Jeez, man, the day I start needing jokes like that explained to me is the day I wear a whale outfit and get some Japanese guy to shove a harpoon in my back.
    Tucker, I think you just stumbled onto your halloween costume this year.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

  6. #66
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    12-10-17 @ 09:23 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,067

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That doesn't justify the tactics of the protesters, imo.
    Some people seem to think it is fine to rammed, sabotaged, shot water canons at and thrown stink bombs at businesses and stop a business from operating just as long as it stops whalers. I think those who support the tactics(have rammed, sabotaged, shot water canons at and thrown stink bombs on whalers and commercial fishing vessels and surrounded certain areas to prevent the whalers from operating and trespassed on other boats) of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society would calling those who did that same **** to businesses here in the US a bunch of loons and demand that they be arrested and physically prevented from doing so in the future.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 01-07-10 at 01:23 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

  7. #67
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Some people seem to think it is fine to rammed, sabotaged, shot water canons at and thrown stink bombs at businesses and stop a business from operating just as long as it stops whalers. I think those who support the tactics(have rammed, sabotaged, shot water canons at and thrown stink bombs on whalers and commercial fishing vessels and surrounded certain areas to prevent the whalers from operating) of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society would calling those who did that same **** to businesses here in the US a bunch of loons and demand that they be arrested and physically prevented from doing so in the future.
    I'm not one of those people. I have no problems with passive civil disobedience, but I have zero tolerance for thugs who want to use violence and property damage to impose their will on everyone else. I think they should be chained to the sidewalk in Time's Square for patriots and bums alike to spit on.

  8. #68
    User
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    Location
    United Kingdom
    Last Seen
    04-25-11 @ 01:36 AM
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59

    Re: Who's at fault?

    The Japs were whaling in Australian waters, and therfore what they were doing was illegal. So it's their fault, and the protestors were merely standing up for the law. See: BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan whaling illegal, court says

    As for whaling, I don't like it as it depletes the population.

  9. #69
    ANTI**ANTIFA
    ReverendHellh0und's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Temple of Solomon
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 06:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian
    Posts
    75,740

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I'm not one of those people. I have no problems with passive civil disobedience, but I have zero tolerance for thugs who want to use violence and property damage to impose their will on everyone else. I think they should be chained to the sidewalk in Time's Square for patriots and bums alike to spit on.




    Or smash their little boat with your big boat!
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

  10. #70
    Banned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Redneck Riviera
    Last Seen
    07-09-11 @ 06:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,728

    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    The Japs were whaling in Australian waters, and therfore what they were doing was illegal.
    Then the protesters should have notified the Australian authorities, and waited for the Aussie Navy and/or coast guard folks to show up and handle their business. They also could attempt to keep their boats between the whales and the whalers. And, they should have used their cameras and recorders to document the law violations that they observed for the use of the relevant government authorities. I do not consider vandals and vigilantes to be helpful to the cause of protecting vulnerable wildlife populations. When all is said and done, they're criminals like the criminals they're ostensibly fighting.

    The end DOES NOT justify engaging in criminal tactics.
    Last edited by Catz Part Deux; 01-07-10 at 01:25 PM.

Page 7 of 21 FirstFirst ... 5678917 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •