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Thread: Who's at fault?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    What you feel & what is the law are two different things.....
    A larger ship that is not in danger does not have the right to cause a collision under any circumstances....
    If there were loss of life, the captain of the larger vessel would have neen charged with manslaughter at the very least.....
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    That ship was in danger. It was under attack....by the little boat that steered under it's bows.

    If I'm driving down the freeway in my van, and a dumb ass on a motorcycle continually veers in front of me trying to cause an accident and I finally fear for my family's safety, I'm perfectly justfied in steering to clip his tire with my bumper if that's what is takes to protect me.

    A ship with a fouled propeller is at the mercy of wind and wave until the crew clears the obstruction. That means sending a diver over the side...which is unsafe in the open ocean...and this vessel was under attack, making that operation even less safe.

    No, taking action to stop the terrorism from the Ady Gil was justified.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Terminating an abortionist saves possibly thousands of lives. This makes sense, until one starts to think. Those with poisoned brains cannot think.

    It's no different than killing a mugger attacking a little old lady, unless that old lady voted for Obama.Are you serious or are you poisoned.??
    Wrong.
    Are the whales really endangered?
    If so, the whalers are wrong.
    Protesters do tend to get carried away, burning, looting, murdering millions.
    Man should learn how to protest and governments should learn how to listen.
    Have either of these occurred???

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    [quote=Reverend_Hellh0und;1058474671]
    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post




    Did you see the pic?


    If I saw that being aimed at my ship, I'd open fire. A clear threat





    Ships Collide In Antarctic Whaling Clash - CBS News

    "The Institute of Cetacean Research, the non-profit organization that conducts the hunt, said the Ady Gil came "within collision distance" of the Nisshin Maru's bow and repeatedly dangled a rope in the water that could have entangled the ship's rudder and propeller.

    The Ady Gil's crew lobbed small projectiles designed to release a foul smell, and the whalers responded by firing high-powered hoses to keep the Sea Shepherd vessels away, the institute said in a statement. "




    clearly the Japanese ship was in the right to ram those assholes. To bad they didn't drown.
    The Japanese ship was in the wrong (just like you) to deliberately ram the other vessel.....
    Stinkbombs & ropes do not give them the right to deliberately ram a vessel, regardless of right of way....

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That ship was in danger. It was under attack....by the little boat that steered under it's bows.

    If I'm driving down the freeway in my van, and a dumb ass on a motorcycle continually veers in front of me trying to cause an accident and I finally fear for my family's safety, I'm perfectly justfied in steering to clip his tire with my bumper if that's what is takes to protect me.
    A ship with a fouled propeller is at the mercy of wind and wave until the crew clears the obstruction. That means sending a diver over the side...which is unsafe in the open ocean...and this vessel was under attack, making that operation even less safe.

    No, taking action to stop the terrorism from the Ady Gil was justified.
    Wrong!.....You are able to pull to the side of the road & let him continue on.....
    Give the above statement to the police after a traffic accident & you are going to jail, ni if's and's or but's.....

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    [quote=Partisan;1058474764]
    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    The Japanese ship was in the wrong (just like you) to deliberately ram the other vessel.....
    Stinkbombs & ropes do not give them the right to deliberately ram a vessel, regardless of right of way....



    do you not see the weapon being pointing out of those jackasses trimaran.


    What is the appropriate response to being attacked at sea including having your prop being fouled and weapons being pointed at your ship?




    And paul watson that fat **** ain't no vegitarian.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, the operator of the smaller more agile craft is under legal obligation to avoid placing his vessel in position to collide with the larger vessel. That's as true in the open sea as it is in narrow navigable channels.

    When I sail to Catalina, I don't dawdle in the shipping lanes. They're "open ocean", but the damn freighters:

    a) Can't see me.
    b) Aren't looking for me.
    c) Won't know if they've hit me
    d) Forget about the freighters, it will hurt.

    All I can say about this Ady Gil crew is that if they're going to insist on starting fights, they can't expect any sympathy when they lose them. I'm not going to feel sorry for terrorists, ever.
    Still doesn't excuse deliberate ramming, the Japanese captain will be found to be at fault, possibly charged with attemped murder....

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    Re: Who's at fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post




    do you not see the weapon being pointing out of those jackasses trimaran.



    What is the appropriate response to being attacked at sea including having your prop being fouled and weapons being pointed at your ship?




    And paul watson that fat **** ain't no vegitarian.
    Yes, I also see the Japanese firing their water cannon, even after the ramming.....

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    Re: Who's at fault?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post

    Yes, I also see the Japanese firing their water cannon, even after the ramming.....



    to defend an attack. Man you are dense.
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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Partisan,


    What is the appropriate response the Japanese ship should take, when another ship follows them and tries to prop foul and stink bomb them?
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post


    What is the appropriate response to being attacked at sea including having your prop being fouled and weapons being pointed at your ship?
    My answer would be a harpoon missile up the ass. But hey, I really can't stand extremists.
    Last edited by LaMidRighter; 01-09-10 at 03:10 PM.
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