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Thread: Who's at fault?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    hunting for food is illegal. and that is precisely what they are doing, and yes, protestors would try to stop them. it's illegal.
    No, they're hunting to conduct scientific research.

    You can't prove otherwise.

    You people need to get the law changed.

    I would support that.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    You people need to get the law changed.

    I would support that.
    Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Instead of ramming fishing vessels, the sea shepherd's should be working to educate the public and get the laws changed. Durr.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    In a free market, if whales became scarce, then the price would go up, prompting some to catch and maybe raise whales in order to reap the huge profits. After all, if you can get a good supply when prices are high, you stand to make a huge profit. The market will keep the species around.

    What happens if you outlaw it? Well obviously raising whales would be impossible logistically. How hard is it to find a whale, let alone a whale farm? So you'll create a black market for whales, and since there is no way to really take advantage of the high prices by increasing the supply, you'll put the animals at the brink of extinction.

    Just basically a summary and application of a video from John Stossel I saw once.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    This was almost certainly an accident caused by the incompetence of the sea shepherd's. They are made of volunteer's without any nautical experience at all. Compounded on that, they undertake maneuvers that would be dangerous even with capable crews. Furthermore, the Japanese ship is far larger and thus less maneuverable. Its unlikely they could deliberately ram the smaller vessel even if they tried. I would suggest that the most likely scenario is shepherds pulled some stupid maneuver right in front of the whaling ship and the Japanese couldn't get out of the way in time.
    Pretty much.

    I would say the pirates decided their other methods weren't doing enough to keep their television show ratings high and thus decided to refuse to avoid a collision if the opportunity presented itself for that reason.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner. Instead of ramming fishing vessels, the sea shepherd's should be working to educate the public and get the laws changed. Durr.
    The problem is the Sea Pirates and similar eco-cults don't understand how best to save the whales.


    What's the problem with the whales today? They're considered a "precious" resource that shouldn't be owned by anyone. Thus, no one owns them, and no one is willing to go out of their way to protect them effectively.

    How to fix this?

    Capitalism, of course.

    Under international law allow pods of whales to be auctioned for commercial ownership. The owners of the pods will be free to use those herds as they wish.

    Very few people, and I mean practically no one, who own breeding livestock, will slaughter the entire herd so there's no chance of profit in the next season.

    If Green Piece wins the bid, probably in a consortium with the Nature Conservancy, the whales don't get hunted at all.

    Any other sensible investor will harvest only enough to maintain stable populations.

    Asking a socialist to abandon his failing policies and accepting the successful policies of capitalism is as effective as asking the Ayatollah to accept Jesus Christ as his one and only Savior.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Invest the Whales!
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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Invest the Whales!
    Whales: brought to you by Chicken of the Sea.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    I would love to see one of the Japanese vessels harpoon the captain of the activists right off the deck of his ship and reel him in for research--he's quite a fat whale himself.
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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Whales: brought to you by Chicken of the Sea.
    I do kind of wonder what whale meat taste like.
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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Just subscribing for this thread. I'll start whining and crying when e.g., the blue whale, extincts.

    Makes sense to conduct scientific research Japan is so famous for. There's a lot of money in the tourist part of it, of idiots like me who love to see these majestic creatures.

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