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Thread: Who's at fault?

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh, I think it's pretty obvious that the Japs are killing whales for food, not research.
    Do you have any evidence or are you just going by the word animal rights wackos.

    So what? That's a matter for the international courts and the law, not pirates.
    I thought you did not support the UN or some other global organization telling countries what they can or can't door was that some one else?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you have any evidence or are you just going by the word animal rights wackos.

    They insist on killing the whales, rather than chosing non-lethal methods. This suggests that they are killing/selling them for food.
    Last edited by surrealistpenguin; 01-07-10 at 01:53 PM.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    OMG, is everything an act of terrorism these days?
    Acts of piracy are acts of terrorism.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Do you have any evidence or are you just going by the word animal rights wackos.



    I thought you did not support the UN or some other global organization telling countries what they can or can't door was that some one else?
    Japan signed the international agreement, take it up with them.

    I'm against surrendering sovereignity to international bodies. If someone's foolish enough to do it, tough luck to them.

    If the international agreement includes an obvious loop hole like "y'all can't kill whales unless you study them, but do what you like with the carcass", don't blame the people wanting to sell whale meat to people who want to eat whale meat to ignore it.

    And don't support terrorists, no matter what. And the Sea Shepherd pirates are eco-terrorists, no different from ELF or Earth-First assholes who burn Hummer dealerships and ski lodges.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    Sounds like most violent crime. Should bank robbers and kidnappers be tried on charges of terrorism, since the penalties are stiffer?
    Unless you're some of Obama's terrorist friends, bank robbing is about the money, not the politics.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Charges could be laid over whaling clash

    who do you believe is in the wrong

    and what is your opinion on whaling
    The anti-whaling group is in the wrong because there is nothing to protest unless whaling is being abused.

    They went out there looking for a fight, and they found one. Push the Japanese to far and they'll fly their **** right into your ships and kill themselves just to get to you.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So if Feminist blocked access to a strip joint or themed family restaurant such as Hooters you would think it was civil disobedience
    Absolutely.

    Does it depend where they chain themselves like for example to the doors of businesses?
    Not particularly, no. Though some places are likely to get them arrested for trespassing.

    I think those limits have been struck down. I could be wrong.
    If they haven't been, they should be, they are completely un-constitutional.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by surrealistpenguin View Post
    Well it is not illegal in Australia to make a citizen's arrest if there are reasonable grounds of suspicion that someone is breaking the law. Why shouldn't it follow that citizen's can't enforce a law (which is presumably invested by them) that their government refuses to enforce?
    If they can do the former, great, but inability to make a citizen's arrest does not equate to being able to take it upon yourself to enforce the law. That puts you just as much outside the law as the law-breaker you are attempting to bring to justice. FAIL.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    so you would gladly eat Nothomyrmecia macrops?
    Provided it's something appetizing of course.

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    Re: Who's at fault?

    This was almost certainly an accident caused by the incompetence of the sea shepherd's. They are made of volunteer's without any nautical experience at all. Compounded on that, they undertake maneuvers that would be dangerous even with capable crews. Furthermore, the Japanese ship is far larger and thus less maneuverable. Its unlikely they could deliberately ram the smaller vessel even if they tried. I would suggest that the most likely scenario is shepherds pulled some stupid maneuver right in front of the whaling ship and the Japanese couldn't get out of the way in time.

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