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Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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Yikes! This is Excruciating.

How embarrassing for me. I'm just used to people being upset with me when I disagree with them. Not so much when they agree with me. I will try to be smarter in the future.
 
I vote for a graduated income tax similar to what we have now, with a few changes
1 million and above 29%

500,000 to 1 million 23%

100,000 to 500,000 18%

75,000 to 100,000 13%

50,000 to 75,000 8%

30,000 to 50,000 4%

20,000 to 30,000 2%

15,000 to 20,000 1%

10,000 to 15,000 .5%

0 to 10,000 .1%

This way every American pays something for our freedoms and to maintain our country, thats first, next there are “NO” deductions, for anyone. That way the wealthy can't hire accountants to find every deduction that allows them to pay less then many working for them. Eliminate corporate taxes all together, to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and put more people to work at good paying jobs. Capital gains taxes are eliminated, any income is taxed at the standard rate. If you make a million or 100 dollars in the stock market it's considered income.

Medicare and Medicaid is taxed much as it is now, only it's reduced to 2% paid by you and 2% paid by the company you work for .. total of 4% with no cut off, it's paid on your total income.

The percentage can be changed however, the 29% is the cap, it can be broken down into increments, and percentages to work, however I feel that even the lowest of incomes should be something, no matter how small
 
Eliminate corporate taxes all together, to bring manufacturing jobs back to the US and put more people to work at good paying jobs. l

You do know manufacturing jobs have moved overseas to take advantage of the cheap labor, don't you?
 
There are many reasons not to go with a consumption tax. Here are a few:

1. Taxes will make it harder for the poor to buy food. I have heard two solutions to this, both are terrible. The first is to exempt necessities. If you do that, I swear to you that necessities will be determined by what manufacturing plants are in what districts of the party in power. It will give rise to the single largest power grab by either party.

The other solution is a prebate check to every single American at the beginning of each month based on a percentage of the poverty level. This leaves us with two options. The government sends out more than 300 million checks every month, or you have to file a tax return every month to let the government know who is in your family. When the government tried to pay one time checks of $250 only to military and social security retirees, they sent over 72,000 to inmates and dead people, and missed many of the people who should have actually gotten them. And you think the government could handle 300 million checks a month?

2. This whole idea that a consumption tax lets you decide what to pay because you don't pay taxes unless you spend the money is basic stupidity. The only way you can get out of paying the national sales tax is to not spend the money EVER. In that case, what is the point of having the money?

3. Consumption taxes will require businesses to file monthly tax returns that will include many complicated issues, including lump sum contracts, international sales, wholesaler v. resaler issues, non-profit sales, and of course my favorite, lump sum contracts to non-profits. The IRS will also need to perform regular audits to ensure that companies (especially small retailers) are not doing under the table cash sales. If anything the IRS will increase in size to handle the prebates and the monthly sales tax returns.

4. People with savings that have already been taxed will face double taxation when we switch over to the new system.
 
There are many reasons not to go with a consumption tax. Here are a few:

1. Taxes will make it harder for the poor to buy food. I have heard two solutions to this, both are terrible. The first is to exempt necessities. If you do that, I swear to you that necessities will be determined by what manufacturing plants are in what districts of the party in power. It will give rise to the single largest power grab by either party.

The other solution is a prebate check to every single American at the beginning of each month based on a percentage of the poverty level. This leaves us with two options. The government sends out more than 300 million checks every month, or you have to file a tax return every month to let the government know who is in your family. When the government tried to pay one time checks of $250 only to military and social security retirees, they sent over 72,000 to inmates and dead people, and missed many of the people who should have actually gotten them. And you think the government could handle 300 million checks a month?

2. This whole idea that a consumption tax lets you decide what to pay because you don't pay taxes unless you spend the money is basic stupidity. The only way you can get out of paying the national sales tax is to not spend the money EVER. In that case, what is the point of having the money?

3. Consumption taxes will require businesses to file monthly tax returns that will include many complicated issues, including lump sum contracts, international sales, wholesaler v. resaler issues, non-profit sales, and of course my favorite, lump sum contracts to non-profits. The IRS will also need to perform regular audits to ensure that companies (especially small retailers) are not doing under the table cash sales. If anything the IRS will increase in size to handle the prebates and the monthly sales tax returns.

4. People with savings that have already been taxed will face double taxation when we switch over to the new system.

advantages of a consumption tax

frugal people will be rewarded

those with illegal incomes will still pay federal taxes

the poor cannot have their votes bought by promises the rich's tax brackets will be raised

the power the government gets from the IRS will be stripped

the time spent complying with the income tax will no longer be wasted
 
advantages of a consumption tax

frugal people will be rewarded

those with illegal incomes will still pay federal taxes

the poor cannot have their votes bought by promises the rich's tax brackets will be raised

the power the government gets from the IRS will be stripped

the time spent complying with the income tax will no longer be wasted

Won't a consumption tax reduce consumer spending and increase savings?
 
Won't a consumption tax reduce consumer spending and increase savings?

In the Watergate era, the shadowy figure of Deep Throat advised Woodward to "follow the money". All you have to do is look at who the advocates of this system are and you have all the answers you need about this issue.
 
Won't a consumption tax reduce consumer spending and increase savings?

hard to say. with some yes, with others no. but one of this country's problems is excessive consumption and not enough saving
 
In the Watergate era, the shadowy figure of Deep Throat advised Woodward to "follow the money". All you have to do is look at who the advocates of this system are and you have all the answers you need about this issue.

we need to create an incentive for those who want more government to feel the cost of it
 
we need to create an incentive for those who want more government to feel the cost of it

Why would we want to burden those who can pay the least? What kind of evil, selfish, self centered, totally absorbed individual who scorns society would want that? There cannot be more than a few of those people ..... can there????? Such feelings are 180 degrees opposite the Christian tradion that helped found this nation and the spirit of fellowship and community which unites us as a common people. Its un-American I tell you!!!!
 
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we need to create an incentive for those who want more government to feel the cost of it
We also could cure Type 2 Diabetes by starving people to death.
A National sales tax would help do just that.
 
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pay the least? this isn't a communist nation-if people want more and more they need to step to the plate

why should I have to pay more and more because others want more and more?
 
We also could cure Type 2 Diabetes by starving people to death.
A National sales tax would help do just that.

that is rather stupid-care to try again
 
hard to say. with some yes, with others no. but one of this country's problems is excessive consumption and not enough saving

No, not really. Our economy is based on consumerism. When we don't spend money we fall into a recession. If spending drops too much we will be in a depression.
 
pay the least? this isn't a communist nation-if people want more and more they need to step to the plate

why should I have to pay more and more because others want more and more?

I 100% agree with TurtleMan. I understand that some people may want money for this or that but there is a cost associated with it.
 
No, not really. Our economy is based on consumerism. When we don't spend money we fall into a recession. If spending drops too much we will be in a depression.

you seem to forget-if the government spends less money we are better off
 
Why would we want to burden those who can pay the least?
So that they can reduce their burden by reducing government spending. You know this, why are you asking.
 
if the government spends less money we are better off

While your statement makes me warm and fuzzy inside ** like I just eat a rabbit ** government spending and personal spending are orthoginal to eachother.
 
There are many reasons not to go with a consumption tax. Here are a few:

1. Taxes will make it harder for the poor to buy food. I have heard two solutions to this, both are terrible. The first is to exempt necessities. If you do that, I swear to you that necessities will be determined by what manufacturing plants are in what districts of the party in power. It will give rise to the single largest power grab by either party.
All regressive taxes have that effect.

The other solution is a prebate check to every single American at the beginning of each month based on a percentage of the poverty level. This leaves us with two options. The government sends out more than 300 million checks every month, or you have to file a tax return every month to let the government know who is in your family. When the government tried to pay one time checks of $250 only to military and social security retirees, they sent over 72,000 to inmates and dead people, and missed many of the people who should have actually gotten them. And you think the government could handle 300 million checks a month?
Prebate and enforcement probably would create a bigger bureaucracy than the IRS.
and doesn't remedy the situation.

They did a study in Arkansas showing Fairtax hurt everyone who made between 15,000 and 200,000.

Using a real rate, not the Phony rate FairyTax uses, it's even worse.
Independent scoring puts fairtax at 56/57%.

And Fairtax doesn't just tax Food,
Fairytax taxes RENT, Medical (Prescription/procedures), Utilities, Autos, Insurance, New Houses.... etc etc
Everything.


2. This whole idea that a consumption tax lets you decide what to pay because you don't pay taxes unless you spend the money is basic stupidity. The only way you can get out of paying the national sales tax is to not spend the money EVER. In that case, what is the point of having the money?
The poor and low-middle/middle HAVE to spend virtually all their money to live.
Which will then be taxed at at least Fairtaxes claimed 30% rate + State sales taxes. (and state inc taxes converted to sales taxes)
A real combined rate is probably 70%

3. Consumption taxes will require businesses to file monthly tax returns that will include many complicated issues, including lump sum contracts, international sales, wholesaler v. resaler issues, non-profit sales, and of course my favorite, lump sum contracts to non-profits. The IRS will also need to perform regular audits to ensure that companies (especially small retailers) are not doing under the table cash sales. If anything the IRS will increase in size to handle the prebates and the monthly sales tax returns.
Yes, possibly bigger than the IRS.

4. People with savings that have already been taxed will face double taxation when we switch over to the new system.
Good point. Those in retirement already and the Baby Boomers (those within 15 yrs of retirement) is no small demographic.

5. The Real Independently scored 'Fairtax' rate is 56/57%. (not incl state sales tax)

6. It would create a giant underground economy. Sales go BLACK.
There's never been an incentive to cheat so easily, so often.
The needed rate goes yet higher.

For a discussion of this and other Top-Down-Scam taxes:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/economics/90108-truth-can-afford-pay-taxes.html
 
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This has to be the worst idea in a world of bad ideas. So we want to discourage savings and have America be more of a consumer society.

How on earth does a tax on wealth over ten million dollars discourage saving?
 
How on earth does a tax on wealth over ten million dollars discourage saving?

why should there be a tax on wealth other than to pander to parasitic mentalities
 
So that they can reduce their burden by reducing government spending. You know this, why are you asking.

You greatly confuse words. I know this?!?!?!It is truly amazing how you "know" what I supposedly "know". I see few people other than those on the far right who scream and gnash their teeth whining about reducing government spending. Go out and ask people this question...
'which government spending programs that you currently benefit from would you advocate ending?' The resulting silence will tell you all you need to know.
 
You greatly confuse words. I know this?!?!?!It is truly amazing how you "know" what I supposedly "know". I see few people other than those on the far right who scream and gnash their teeth whining about reducing government spending. Go out and ask people this question...
'which government spending programs that you currently benefit from would you advocate ending?' The resulting silence will tell you all you need to know.

yeah to you anyone who wants the bloated government to spend less is "far right"
 
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