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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
  • Other - explain

    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Since you are not an American I can understand you thinking a guy who wasn't even born when this country was founded was a founder



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which was anathema to those who founded this country
    LOL! Do you have a hotline to the hereafter?
    Last edited by Catawba; 01-30-11 at 12:24 AM.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do you have a hotline to the hereafter?
    no but having studied the constitution extensively and having read the documents surrounding it I know

    btw why was the 16th amendment passed

    the founders also despised mob rule and only wanted landowners voting

    a system that would allow the non landowners to vote away the land of the leading citizens would be anathema to them

    which is what we have now



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Since you are not an American I can understand you thinking a guy who wasn't even born when this country was founded was a founder
    He didn't say he was a founder, and you have not provided a transcript of your conversations with the hereafter.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no but having studied the constitution extensively and having read the documents surrounding it I know

    btw why was the 16th amendment passed

    the founders also despised mob rule and only wanted landowners voting

    a system that would allow the non landowners to vote away the land of the leading citizens would be anathema to them

    which is what we have now

    So with all your "great expertise", that we just have your word for, would you say you know the Constitution better than Lincoln?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    So with all your "great expertise", that we just have your word for, would you say you know the Constitution better than Lincoln?
    uh yes. My education in the law is far more extensive than his was-as is the case with anyone who has passed a bar exam after spending three years in an accredited law school. Why was the 16th amendment passed/



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    He didn't say he was a founder, and you have not provided a transcript of your conversations with the hereafter.
    you are being silly now



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Why was the 16th amendment passed/
    The solvency of the nation was at risk.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The solvency of the nation was at risk.
    nope. the progressive income tax was unconstitutional. Jefferson, in particular, was quite verbose on the danger of allowing self-government to become a tool for the many to take from the few.
    Last edited by cpwill; 01-30-11 at 03:24 AM.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no but having studied the constitution extensively and having read the documents surrounding it I know

    btw why was the 16th amendment passed

    the founders also despised mob rule and only wanted landowners voting

    a system that would allow the non landowners to vote away the land of the leading citizens would be anathema to them

    which is what we have now
    The sainted Founders also installed a government which gave its legal approval to a system of human slavery.

    The sainted Founders also installed a government which treated women as something in between livestock and human beings.

    Do you want to go back to that also simply because it was the standard over 200 years ago?

    My calendar says 2011. Perhaps yours still claims it is 1787 and we are still a rather isolated backwater of only 4 million farmers?
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