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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
  • Other - explain

    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why-because you said so-because politicians want to treat people differently to gain power

    If I buy a cheeseburger I pay the same as you do no matter if I make 400,000 more a year

    my dentist charges me the same as he does a guy making cubicle bunny wages.

    the cars at the dealership where I shop don't have different prices based on income

    so why should government be different? it wasn't for more than half our history

    your assertions have no merit


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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    iF WE MADE POVERTY more painful less people would remain mired in it
    But is that really a better outcome? If people choose to remain in relative poverty, that doesn't prevent the wealthy from enjoying the spoils of wealth.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the difference is that those with more means are treated better by a seller as they should be while the government does not. People are rich mainly because they act in productive ways that benefit others not because the government GAVE THEM SOMETHING EXTRA
    And with that productivity comes the obligation to pay higher taxes. Who cares what other people make? Those things change. Wealth and poverty are not permanent conditions.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    But is that really a better outcome? If people choose to remain in relative poverty, that doesn't prevent the wealthy from enjoying the spoils of wealth.
    more impoverished people is a cancer on society-



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    And with that productivity comes the obligation to pay higher taxes. Who cares what other people make? Those things change. Wealth and poverty are not permanent conditions.
    where do you get that being a fact or an obligation? what natural law or undeniable truth demands that?



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    where do you get that being a fact or an obligation? what natural law or undeniable truth demands that?
    Not immutable truth ... just the tax code. It's the rules that we've drafted as a society.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Not immutable truth ... just the tax code. It's the rules that we've drafted as a society.
    rules that were unconstitutional for more than half our country's history

    an amendment that has done far more harm than good IMHO



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    more impoverished people is a cancer on society-
    That's why our forefathers set up a progressive tax system.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's why our forefathers set up a progressive tax system.
    which was anathema to those who founded this country



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which was anathema to those who founded this country
    Revenue Act of 1862 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Act was signed into law by President Abraham Lincoln, introducing the first progressive rate income tax to the country.
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