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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    CONTINUAL COSTCO CONFUSION

    part 634.

    You do not know the difference between the relationship between a government and a citizen in a representative democracy and that of a customer in a commercial business.

    Ivy League indeed!
    sorry to rain on your rant but I do know what is and I advocate what should be


    you constantly babble that what is is always right

    that is just plain stupid



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    No doubt. But I don't find that improper or unjust as long as its through the legitimate action of government.
    some of us don't worship government to the extent you do or give government so much a benefit of the doubt

    that the masses can vote up the taxes of the most industrious is a fact

    that this is proper I disagree with and would ban it if I could

    and in the long run its gonna ruin this nation



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    that will get you started Turtle

    War profiteers. Not that you care just as long as they send you the checks from your blood money.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    ALternet? LOL



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why-because you said so-because politicians want to treat people differently to gain power

    If I buy a cheeseburger I pay the same as you do no matter if I make 400,000 more a year

    my dentist charges me the same as he does a guy making cubicle bunny wages.

    the cars at the dealership where I shop don't have different prices based on income

    so why should government be different? it wasn't for more than half our history

    your assertions have no merit
    I find your examples flawed.

    The owner of the cheeseburger shop is free to charge different customers different amounts. When I worked at a McDonald's, I got an employee discount. That's a common practice. The owner sometimes gave away food to his friends.

    Your dentist does not charge the cubicle bunny the same as you, most likely. Does the cubicle bunny have insurance? Is the particular dentist in network? The insurance company will almost always pay a different rate than an out-of-pocket customer. And, of course, someone who isn't able to pay is likely to receive some amount of charity care.

    And consider a Certificate of Deposit or an interest rate on a bank loan. The higher your income, the less you'll pay in interest. The more you invest, the better return you'll get. The wealthy get better interest rates and face fewer penalties and fees in practice.

    In all of the above examples, the price you pay depends on whether or not you are a member of a particular group or class.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I find your examples flawed.

    The owner of the cheeseburger shop is free to charge different customers different amounts. When I worked at a McDonald's, I got an employee discount. That's a common practice. The owner sometimes gave away food to his friends.

    Your dentist does not charge the cubicle bunny the same as you, most likely. Does the cubicle bunny have insurance? Is the particular dentist in network? The insurance company will almost always pay a different rate than an out-of-pocket customer. And, of course, someone who isn't able to pay is likely to receive some amount of charity care.

    And consider a Certificate of Deposit or an interest rate on a bank loan. The higher your income, the less you'll pay in interest. The more you invest, the better return you'll get. The wealthy get better interest rates and face fewer penalties and fees in practice.

    In all of the above examples, the price you pay depends on whether or not you are a member of a particular group or class.
    weak examples


    the vast majority of stuff that is sold or services are rendered is based on the value given, not the income of the buyer



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some of us don't worship government to the extent you do or give government so much a benefit of the doubt

    that the masses can vote up the taxes of the most industrious is a fact

    that this is proper I disagree with and would ban it if I could

    and in the long run its gonna ruin this nation
    Then your problem is with the constitutional republic, which does allow the masses to vote up taxes on the wealthy. But, theoretically, the masses will only do so if they lack wealth. Which direction the majority's political will pushes will ever be dependent on the current situation. So one would expect, as the wealthiest command a greater share of the overall wealth, more political pressure will build for redistributive policies -- and vice versa.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Then your problem is with the constitutional republic, which does allow the masses to vote up taxes on the wealthy. But, theoretically, the masses will only do so if they lack wealth. Which direction the majority's political will pushes will ever be dependent on the current situation. So one would expect, as the wealthiest command a greater share of the overall wealth, more political pressure will build for redistributive policies -- and vice versa.
    yeah the constitutional republic as originally created didn't allow such taxes

    morons changed that without having a clue of the damage it would and dd cause

    welfare-socialism is the new opiate of the masses and those so addicted are no longer as able to compete



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    weak examples


    the vast majority of stuff that is sold or services are rendered is based on the value given, not the income of the buyer
    The vast majority, yes. But the big stuff is graduated and often regressive. Almost all homeowners take out a mortgage. And you simply pay less if you have more to pay with. A bigger down payment. A larger income. More assets. Having those things will get you a better price. And that's true of just about anything bought on credit.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    The vast majority, yes. But the big stuff is graduated and often regressive. Almost all homeowners take out a mortgage. And you simply pay less if you have more to pay with. A bigger down payment. A larger income. More assets. Having those things will get you a better price. And that's true of just about anything bought on credit.
    that is based on the risk to the loaner-your example fails

    income isn't the issue-credit rating is

    and on a 300K mortgage a guy making a billion a year is treated no differently than someone with the same credit rating making 500K a year



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