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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Rich people started them to increase and protect their wealth.




    Between 1936 and 1980, the top tax rate averaged over 81%. Despite the high tax rate for the top income earners, this was one of the most prosperous times for all Americans in our history.

    "Though debt almost always increased under every president in the latter half of the 20th century, it declined as a percentage of GDP under all Presidents after 1950 and prior to Reagan."

    Economic history of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "advocates of progressive taxation tend to be found among the majority of economists and social scientists, many of whom believe that completely proportional taxation is not a possibility. In the U.S., an overwhelming majority of economists (81%) support progressive taxation."

    Klein, D. B.; Stern, C. (2004-12-06). "Economists' policy views and voting". Public Choice Journal. Retrieved 2007-07-02.
    Boxx, W. T. & Quinlivan, G. M. (1994). The Cultural Context of Economics and Politics. Lanham, MA: University Press of America. ISBN 978-0-8191-9680-4




    "In 1955, our 400 highest incomes averaged $12.3 million, in today’s dollars. But the top 400 in 1955 didn’t get to enjoy all those millions. On average, after exploiting every tax loophole they could find, they actually paid over half their incomes, 51.2%, in federal income tax.

    Today’s super rich are doing better, fantastically better, both before and after taxes. In 2006, the top 400 averaged an astounding $263 million each in income. These 400 financially fortunate paid, after loopholes, just 17.2% of their incomes in federal tax."
    Why Should We Tax the Rich? Because They Have the Money! | Dissenting Democrat



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    rich people started the wars to incease their wealth

    my bs detector just redlined. Do you think the Jews bombed the WTC too?

    what was the top rate when America was becoming the most powerful nation in the world?

    that the majority of people who suckle from the public teat (economists) support a system that provides milk to the public teat is not surprising

    why do you welfare socialists talk about 400 people to justify soaking millions



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    i thought you might try to provide some evidence to back up back up your claims.

    Oh well, thanks for your opinion.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    i thought you might try to provide some evidence to back up back up your claims.

    Oh well, thanks for your opinion.
    posting the opinions of people about what they want in taxes proves what?

    If you aren't willing to pay 80 percent of your next dollar to a wasteful government you have no right to demand someone else should



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that really doesn't make much sense-we keep being told the MC is disappearing and there are more poor
    Well, I agree with you that the poor in the U.S. are generally better off than much of the world's poor, and I think that's a good thing. I also have seen firsthand how welfare helps raise the standard of living in poorer communities. I support the current system of progressive taxation and moderate welfare for exactly that reason, with the caveat that we must pay for it, not borrow for it. I actually don't know if there are more poor, I'd have to research that. Most of the stats I've seen indicate the median wage has stagnated, not that more people are poor. But I'm pretty certain that the poor we do have wouldn't be as well off without our safety nets. It also seems that the wealthy's share of the federal tax burden is line with their share of the wealth.

    So I'm just wondering where the great injustice is, and how a flat tax solves this problem.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    posting the opinions of people about what they want in taxes proves what?

    If you aren't willing to pay 80 percent of your next dollar to a wasteful government you have no right to demand someone else should
    Thanks for your opinion!
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Well, I agree with you that the poor in the U.S. are generally better off than much of the world's poor, and I think that's a good thing. I also have seen firsthand how welfare helps raise the standard of living in poorer communities. I support the current system of progressive taxation and moderate welfare for exactly that reason, with the caveat that we must pay for it, not borrow for it. I actually don't know if there are more poor, I'd have to research that. Most of the stats I've seen indicate the median wage has stagnated, not that more people are poor. But I'm pretty certain that the poor we do have wouldn't be as well off without our safety nets. It also seems that the wealthy's share of the federal tax burden is line with their share of the wealth.

    So I'm just wondering where the great injustice is, and how a flat tax solves this problem.
    the great injustice is not the issue-its the mindset a progressive tax creates

    the mindset comes from the vast majority of voters thinking that a bloated government is not a problem and a deficit is not a problem because their leaders tell them the rich can be taxed at higher and higher rates to solve those problems and give the masses all the government they want

    as long as the majority that uses the majority of government spending don't have to suffer any increased taxes they have no incentive whatsoever to stop the unsustainable expansion of government

    a flat tax means that when some guy making 25K a year supports more government and taxes have to rise, he's gonna feel it and maybe next time he won't be so keen for more government expansion

    I also tire of the power congress grabbed with the PIT-it allows the dems to pander to those who want more goodies and others to pay for it while the GOP turns around and gets support by opposing wealth confiscation

    a flat tax means there would be a more honest discussion in Congress



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Thanks for your opinion!
    which is as valid as any economist who is living off of tax dollars

    btw what do you do for a living and what tax bracket are you in?



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    I actually don't know if there are more poor, I'd have to research that.
    Here are the statistics from the most recent Census ~

    "About 44 million Americans - one in seven - lived last year in homes in which the income was below the poverty level, which is about $22,000 for a family of four. That is the largest number of people since the census began tracking poverty 51 years ago."

    About 44 million in U.S. lived below poverty line in 2009, census data show
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    which is as valid as any economist who is living off of tax dollars

    btw what do you do for a living and what tax bracket are you in?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    No it isn't

    subsidizing poverty and making it comfortable only increases it
    You're going to stick with that eventhough the number of people who *qualify* for assistance was slashed significantly in the 60's upon formation of the system?
    It remains at that low level, too - eventhough the poverty-line has increased.

    *Most* poor are temporarily poor. In 1996 the measures taken to change the system made dependence on it more so temporary.

    Without the system those problems in life that lead peopel to be temporarily dependent on support of said nature (divorce, illness, job-loss, etc) would be harder to get over - if one could get passed it at all.
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