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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Being poor is when your widescreen plasma TV is too big for the room it's in.
    now that is truly funny



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the poor in the USA have a far higher standard of living than at any time in history and a far higher standard than those in most nations. so while the tax hike advocates constantly carp about the growing gap, they fail to note the actual living conditions of the poor-
    The conditions of the underprivileged and the hyper-segregated are equal to the conditions of the poor living in Nigeria and Korea according to research.

    For people who aren't in these two areas (underprivileged and hyper-segregated) if they do experience living below the poverty level and needing to be on welfare it's usually temporary.

    They cite that it goes in cycles - A family that is above the poverty line comes into a hardship (loss of job, sickness, injury, divorce) which leads them to be classified as 'poor' and they then qualify for assistance. Most are on assistance for a few years and then improve their selves.
    It is temporary.
    A smaller percentage within thse two areas are permanently poor - it's a generational and regional cycle.

    What's proven is that those who experience times of being poor - if they live in areas where there are more places of employment and opportunities to learn new job skills unemployment and poverty-levels of income are temporary. It's easier for them to get out of it.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    now that is truly funny
    I stole it from somewhere, but I can't remeber where, so we'll just give me all the credit.
    So follow me into the desert
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The conditions of the underprivileged and the hyper-segregated are equal to the conditions of the poor living in Nigeria and Korea according to research.

    For people who aren't in these two areas (underprivileged and hyper-segregated) if they do experience living below the poverty level and needing to be on welfare it's usually temporary.

    They cite that it goes in cycles - A family that is above the poverty line comes into a hardship (loss of job, sickness, injury, divorce) which leads them to be classified as 'poor' and they then qualify for assistance. Most are on assistance for a few years and then improve their selves.
    It is temporary.
    A smaller percentage within thse two areas are permanently poor - it's a generational and regional cycle.

    What's proven is that those who experience times of being poor - if they live in areas where there are more places of employment and opportunities to learn new job skills unemployment and poverty-levels of income are temporary. It's easier for them to get out of it.
    the poor in NK or NIgeria are starving to death-not so in the USA.



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most in the USA have tv sets, cars , cell phones running water, air conditioning etc.

    ever been to Africa or South America?
    You forgot government assistance.

    I have been to the far east and have seen the poor.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    You forgot government assistance.

    I have been to the far east and have seen the poor.
    pretty grim.



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the poor in NK or NIgeria are starving to death-not so in the USA.
    --36.3 million people--including 13 million children--live in households that experience hunger or the risk of hunger. This represents more than one in ten 0households in the United States (11.2 percent). This is an increase of 1.4 million, from 34.9, million in 2002.

    --3.5 percent of U.S. households experience hunger. Some people in these households frequently skip meals or eat too little, sometimes going without food for a whole day. 9.6 million people, including 3 million children, live in these homes.

    --7.7 percent of U.S. households are at risk of hunger. Members of these households have lower quality diets or must resort to seeking emergency food because they cannot always afford the food they need. 26.6 million people, including 10.3 million children, live in these homes.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    pretty grim.
    Without government help we would have the same problem.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Harry View Post
    Without government help we would have the same problem.
    due to government help we might have more problems than we would if it were more limited

    btw hunger is not starvation

    obesity is a far bigger issue for our poor than starvation

    subsidizing poverty increases it



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the poor in NK or NIgeria are starving to death-not so in the USA.
    Yes so in the US - Do you think meals on wheels travels deep in to the swamps or something? Or what about high into the Appalachian Mountains?

    Truth here is that our country isn't as well off as many people think. We have a huge nation with a massive amount of land and a widespread variety of climates and cultures - to believe that every single person who lives here and is impoverished (tens of millions) is living far superior to those in other countries who also are impoverished is ridiculous and shows a lack of education on the subject.

    Get rid of your mental image of a poor teen in the ghetto playing the latest video games on the government's dime. . that is not reality for most.

    The CDC doesn't even track deaths from starvation - but common sense on the issue dictates that countless suffer and die every year. There's just no way to argue that they don't.
    FRAC - Hunger in the U.S.

    More importantly - beyond starvation from lack of food. Is that in the US and worldwide the biggest contributor to death of the poor is not starvation outright - it is malnutrition. The diseases, illnesses and conditions that come FROM malnutrition is staggering.

    Food shortage is such a central part of the entire issue that it's the basis for calculating out what the poverty level even *is* year to year.

    To determine "what constitutes as poor" they look at the cost of food for an average non-farm family of 4 (mom, dad, 2 kids) for an entire year of nutritious food. They multiply that by 3 - that is the poverty line. So, as food-costs go up - the poverty-line goes up and the more people that qualify for assistance.

    They do it this way because studies have shown time and time again that among the lower brackets of wage-earners 1/3 to 1/4 their income goes *to* food-costs - and nothing high-end here, either.
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