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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
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    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    The wage disparity is another matter, and I'm curious about that, too, but the successful CEO is wealthy because his business skills are marketable and shareholders are willing to pay him what they do.

    $15 an hour to build a car probably isn't the best example for your argument, but I understand.

    The subject is taxation. Of course there would be (or should be) a minimum income exception. A day laborer who is not able to earn more than $6 an hour his best year, for example, should get a pass.

    You also mentioned a guaranteed wage. That would certainly prevent a lot of start-up businesses that do not have the capital to meet a mandated minimum payroll. Those are entry level or temp jobs that will never be created in your system.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Thanks for this. I am feeling very weird right now. Ill be on tomorrow maybe. I've hung out with radicals(admitting it tbh) for over a year and my worldview is so cynical im going to just take a breather here
    Hope you're feeling better soon.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    those people pay tons of income tax, death taxes and pay the burden for many who pay nothing

    claiming they benefit most is complete bs-the biggest expansion in government spending over the last 70 years is entitlements for the lower and middle classes

    try again
    no need to try again since he got it perfectly right the first time.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    no need to try again since he got it perfectly right the first time.
    sure haymarket sure

    what do you deny-that those who are targeted for a wealth tax also pay substantial income and death confiscation taxes or that these high tax payers pay for services many others use

    try to refute either



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    sure haymarket sure

    what do you deny-that those who are targeted for a wealth tax also pay substantial income and death confiscation taxes or that these high tax payers pay for services many others use

    try to refute either
    You still have not remedied you basic and fundamental problem - CONTINUAL COSTCO CONFUSION. Until you take care of that problem, we will get the same post from you over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread. You simply either do not understand how our society works or you refuse to accept the will of the American people as expressed through our duly elected government.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You still have not remedied you basic and fundamental problem - CONTINUAL COSTCO CONFUSION. Until you take care of that problem, we will get the same post from you over and over and over and over in thread after thread after thread. You simply either do not understand how our society works or you refuse to accept the will of the American people as expressed through our duly elected government.
    you continue to play silly games-these threads are about philosophical arguments and your dullardly and repetitive charges that if the will of the people (which is manipulated by politicians using a tax code designed to do just that) says one thing all argument is precluded are useless . I understand how society works far better than you and I argue it has lots of problems. Since you like the system that allows your leaders to pander to the parasite mentality, you caterwaul that any challenge to that system is based on misunderstanding rather than what it is really based on-contempt



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you continue to play silly games-these threads are about philosophical arguments and your dullardly and repetitive charges that if the will of the people (which is manipulated by politicians using a tax code designed to do just that) says one thing all argument is precluded are useless . I understand how society works far better than you and I argue it has lots of problems. Since you like the system that allows your leaders to pander to the parasite mentality, you caterwaul that any challenge to that system is based on misunderstanding rather than what it is really based on-contempt
    You have repeatedly demonstrated a complete lack of any accurate knowledge or understanding about
    - the purpose of taxation
    - the history of taxation
    - the bipartisan origins of the progressive income tax
    - the role of taxation in a democratic republic and how it reflects the will of the people
    - the relationship between taxation and government services
    - the lack of any relationship between taxation and consumption of government services

    It is those fundamental areas in which you lack knowledge or fail to comprehend what you have been taught that produces your ideological differences on the issue. That renders any opinions or views you have worth nothing s they are based only on your own selfish desires and motivations of greed and not on any actual facts or reality.

    You are indeed entitled to your own opinion. What you are not entitled to is your own made up facts.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    you know, i vote that we lower income tax rates and raise tax rates on non-income compensation.

    pension benefits, for example, should be taxed 50%. ditto for employer-provided health plans.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    My opinion on this one has varied a bit. A few months ago I would have said that any progressive tax was an unfair tax on success.

    The fact is though, a flat tax capable of generating enough revenue to run even half of what the government currently does would be Devastating to the poor and the modest-income working class.

    Okay, so you exempt those below the poverty line. I got news: the last time I read what the so-called "poverty line" was, buddy it isn't high enough! You can't support a small family in America, in what we consider decent conditions, on 25k a year in most areas.

    Okay, so we kick the bar up again...your first 30k is exempt. Now...you know what we've actually got here? We have a progressive tax.

    If you make 25k, you pay no income tax.
    If you make 35k, you pay taxes only on the last 5k.
    If you make 100k, you pay taxes on 70k of it.
    If you make 500k, you pay taxes on 470k of it.

    Hello, progressive tax.

    A sales tax adequate to support current governmental spending would have to be huge... like 20-30 cents on the dollar...nor would I be willing to bet that sales tax would definately end income tax for all time; politicians are untrustworthy $@%$#@es.

    No, I think a progressive income tax is inevitable, as much as I hate it. I think the "curve" should be moderate and there should be a top end no higher than 30%... and everybody with an income should have to pay something, say put a bottom rate of 0.5% so that everyone has a stake in gov't and spending.
    An intelligent and Humane solution.
    I have proposed similar systems.

    Most proposing 'fair' or 'flat' taxes know NOT what they're voting for... they just think it sounds 'fair' or Imagine some low rate.
    The specific Natl sales tax/oxymoron called 'Fairtax' entails an (independently scored) rate of 56/57%. (Not incl state sales tax and state inc tax converted to sales tax)
    Knowing a Natl sale tax is outrageous on it's face (tho not to posters here!), 'Fairtax' added a 'prebate' to try and mediate that devastating/impossible regressivity. That raised the needed rate.

    Anyone voting for a Nat'l Sales or Flattax should have to say at WHAT rate/or up until what rate they still support it.
    It's easy/meaningless to say your 'for' something with no numbers.

    Your proposal also cuts the IRS by perhaps 1/3- ridding them of processing chicken-feed returns who provide only a tiny percent of revs anyway.
    But it would never win support as there are no Bribes/Lobby for the under 30k/50k crowd.
    That's why most tax 'simplification' schemes are top-down and regressive.

    more here:
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/econom...pay-taxes.html
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    what does that study count as "taxes"



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