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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
  • Other - explain

    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    In order to profit you have to make the production value of the worker's production be higher than what you pay the worker. You are making money off of labor that is not yours.
    Thank you, Dr. Marx.

    The worker gets the benefit of employment, and the job security of working for a company that knows how to succeed.

    Have you a better system in mind?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope-maybe to a private charity which I fully support with my money. I also spend about 500 hours a year as volunteer helping youth athletes.

    but what grounds exist-other than political power-that justifies forcing some people to pay for what you want or even need?
    I dont understand what the second line means. Its sort of weirdly phrased.
    Don't tread on me= Don't tread on my corporate masters

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    In order to profit you have to make the production value of the worker's production be higher than what you pay the worker. You are making money off of labor that is not yours.

    No one works harder than the 50 hour a week wage-slave. Don't even start with this "industrious vs laziness" argument.
    you dislike the right to contract

    when I got out of law school I had several offers-some from Big $$$$ new york or san fran firms. I went with a smaller firm in Ohio so I could get trial experience. They paid me about 30 an hour to start and billed my time at 125. They made money off my labor but trained me how to be a pretty decent trial attorney which allowed me to get a better job at a different employer.

    Now if they didn't make any money off me wtf would they hire me? You don't seem to understand how the world works

    no insult intended but what exactly do you do for a job?



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Thank you, Dr. Marx.

    The worker gets the benefit of employment, and the job security of working for a company that knows how to succeed.

    Have you a better system in mind?
    Well I'm certainly not delusional like most of my colleagues in academia but for starters I would like an amendment that guarantees a living wage, health coverage etc.

    The worker is allowed to work, yes or starve. But why does the CEO get so wealthy? What is he actually doing? His workers make cars that generate thousands in profit, but he pays them $15 an hour?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I dont understand what the second line means. Its sort of weirdly phrased.
    the point is while I oppose government forced 'charity' I fully support private charity and believe those who have the time and money ought to help others and I put substantial amounts of my time and my money towards helping others



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    In order to profit you have to make the production value of the worker's production be higher than what you pay the worker. You are making money off of labor that is not yours.

    No one works harder than the 50 hour a week wage-slave. Don't even start with this "industrious vs laziness" argument.
    How many successful lazy people have you met?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the point is while I oppose government forced 'charity' I fully support private charity and believe those who have the time and money ought to help others and I put substantial amounts of my time and my money towards helping others
    I know many people who are self-interested and apathetic in this regard, good for you
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    How many successful lazy people have you met?
    I've met a lot of unsuccessful hard-working people. The kind that need to take out student loans for medical coverage
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I know many people who are self-interested and apathetic in this regard, good for you
    I have almost as little use for them as I do those who demand others pay for what they want. My late mother-a British style "fabian" at one era of her life-later a pro choice GOPer who died a "friend of Hillary" noted rich people have no excuse to be either boring or stingy.



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Well I'm certainly not delusional like most of my colleagues in academia but for starters I would like an amendment that guarantees a living wage, health coverage etc.

    The worker is allowed to work, yes or starve. But why does the CEO get so wealthy? What is he actually doing? His workers make cars that generate thousands in profit, but he pays them $15 an hour?
    The wage disparity is another matter, and I'm curious about that, too, but the successful CEO is wealthy because his business skills are marketable and shareholders are willing to pay him what they do.

    $15 an hour to build a car probably isn't the best example for your argument, but I understand.

    The subject is taxation. Of course there would be (or should be) a minimum income exception. A day laborer who is not able to earn more than $6 an hour his best year, for example, should get a pass.

    You also mentioned a guaranteed wage. That would certainly prevent a lot of start-up businesses that do not have the capital to meet a mandated minimum payroll. Those are entry level or temp jobs that will never be created in your system.

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