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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Flat tax is absolute garbage. It's just another institutional provision to protect moneyed interest and work against the interests of the working class. You earn more, you pay more in taxes. End of story.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Flat tax is absolute garbage. It's just another institutional provision to protect moneyed interest and work against the interests of the working class. You earn more, you pay more in taxes. End of story.
    well that settles it

    the rich do pay more under a flat tax

    epic fail dude



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well that settles it

    the rich do pay more under a flat tax

    epic fail dude
    Yes they pay more but its the same percentage of their income as people in poverty. If you are fortunate enough to become a billionaire and be set for life under our economic system, you are obligated to pay more percentage wise back to the system that made you affluent. Isn't their some logic fail in absolutely everyone paying 15%? If I make 30,000 a year I shouldnt have to pay taxes, everything I use my money on is immediate most likely, I am living subsistence, paycheck to paycheck. If Im a billionaire sitting on 900 million in my bank account shouldnt more of it (proportionally) be taxed? What happens when Uncle Sam's piggy bank has no $$ in it, and people cant get social security or medicare? Tax the rich to be honest. Most of them don't even earn what they have
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Yes they pay more but its the same percentage of their income as people in poverty. If you are fortunate enough to become a billionaire and be set for life under our economic system, you are obligated to pay more percentage wise back to the system that made you affluent. Isn't their some logic fail in absolutely everyone paying 15%? If I make 30,000 a year I shouldnt have to pay taxes, everything I use my money on is immediate most likely, I am living subsistence, paycheck to paycheck. If Im a billionaire sitting on 900 million in my bank account shouldnt more of it (proportionally) be taxed? What happens when Uncle Sam's piggy bank has no $$ in it, and people cant get social security or medicare? Tax the rich to be honest. Most of them don't even earn what they have.
    Doesn't sound very egalitarian.

    PS. And how did "the system" make the rich rich? Why hasn't it made me rich?

    Their hard work and ingenuity, not to mention their willingess to take risks, helped a little, too, in most cases. The "system" could just as easily have made them bankrupt - and often does when business ventures fail.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Yes they pay more but its the same percentage of their income as people in poverty. If you are fortunate enough to become a billionaire and be set for life under our economic system, you are obligated to pay more percentage wise back to the system that made you affluent. Isn't their some logic fail in absolutely everyone paying 15%? If I make 30,000 a year I shouldnt have to pay taxes, everything I use my money on is immediate most likely, I am living subsistence, paycheck to paycheck. If Im a billionaire sitting on 900 million in my bank account shouldnt more of it (proportionally) be taxed? What happens when Uncle Sam's piggy bank has no $$ in it, and people cant get social security or medicare? Tax the rich to be honest. Most of them don't even earn what they have

    the rich pay hundreds of dollars for a dollar of government service

    the poor might not pay a single cent for the same government service


    your rant about the rich not earning it is pathetic and silly

    why should your existence be a burden on someone else?



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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Doesn't sound very egalitarian.
    I'm listening...
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the rich pay hundreds of dollars for a dollar of government service

    the poor might not pay a single cent for the same government service


    your rant about the rich not earning it is pathetic and silly


    why should your existence be a burden on someone else?
    Off to the camps I guess?

    The affluent don't need government services! The quality of life they enjoy is pristine. The poor are entitled to some level of social welfare, i mean they dont have as much control over their economic situation as some might believe. I work often and I am still in debt from college, wouldn't it be awesome if some funds could be allocated to low interest loans? I'd love it

    No, my rant about the rich is correct. Labor theory of value. Employing individuals own what they don't labor and produce, and in return pay subsistence wage to their worker drones. Employers make millions but pay their employees $7.00 an hour, even less in right-to-work states. Why so meager?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    Doesn't sound very egalitarian.

    PS. And how did "the system" make the rich rich? Why hasn't it made me rich?

    Their hard work and ingenuity, not to mention their willingess to take risks, helped a little, too, in most cases. The "system" could just as easily have made them bankrupt - and often does when business ventures fail.
    In order to profit you have to make the production value of the worker's production be higher than what you pay the worker. You are making money off of labor that is not yours.

    No one works harder than the 50 hour a week wage-slave. Don't even start with this "industrious vs laziness" argument.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I'm listening...
    See my edit.

    Here. I'll copy and paste.

    And how did "the system" make the rich rich? Why hasn't it made me rich?

    Their hard work and ingenuity, not to mention their willingess to take risks, helped a little, too, in most cases. The "system" could just as easily have made them bankrupt - and often does when business ventures fail.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Off to the camps I guess?

    The affluent don't need government services! The quality of life they enjoy is pristine. The poor are entitled to some level of social welfare, i mean they dont have as much control over their economic situation as some might believe. I work often and I am still in debt from college, wouldn't it be awesome if some funds could be allocated to low interest loans? I'd love it

    No, my rant about the rich is correct. Labor theory of value. Employing individuals own what they don't labor and produce, and in return pay subsistence wage to their worker drones. Employers make millions but pay their employees $7.00 an hour, even less in right-to-work states. Why so meager?
    nope-maybe to a private charity which I fully support with my money. I also spend about 500 hours a year as volunteer helping youth athletes.

    but what grounds exist-other than political power-that justifies forcing some people to pay for what you want or even need?



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