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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since you can only get to your position from what I wrote by taking a long long journey through the Twilight Zone, there's no point in answering this.
    Ok. Appologies if I misunderstood. Before compounding my mistake, lets get it straight now. Are you taking the stance that women are less productive workers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since you claimed, absurdly, that women are paid less than men
    You honestly didn't know that? I thought everybody was aware of the gender gap in wages... Women make $0.74 for every dollar a man makes for the same job: Women Still Get Paid Less - CBS News

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Ok. Appologies if I misunderstood. Before compounding my mistake, lets get it straight now. Are you taking the stance that women are less productive workers?
    Not at all.

    (Edit: Let me qualify this by saying that it also depends on the job. Your average woman hod carrier isn't going to be as effective as your average male hod carrier, that's just how the job works. And your average woman IS better at manual electronic assembly and soldering tasks, their smaller fingers help.)

    I'm saying that if it's true that women get paid a significant percentage less to do exactly the same work at the same productivity as men, who in their right mind would hire men?


    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You honestly didn't know that? I thought everybody was aware of the gender gap in wages... Women make $0.74 for every dollar a man makes for the same job: Women Still Get Paid Less - CBS News
    The myth is popular. It doesn't survive the logic of greed.

    I would suggest that either the definition of "the same job" needs careful attention, or the measures of productivity are skewed.

    Any company that could save 26% by firing the men and hiring women and refuses to do so is guilty of criminally abandoning it'sfiduciary duties to it's shareholders.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 01-27-10 at 09:44 PM.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'm saying that if it's true that women get paid a significant percentage less to do exactly the same work at the same productivity as men, who in their right mind would hire men?
    That's how prejudice works. The same thing happens with black workers. They get paid less for the same job, but all studies ever have shown that they're equally productive. Same with women. Many hiring managers that interview a white man, a white woman, and a black man for a position will walk away unconsciously biased towards assuming the white male is the best applicant even if they have exactly the same capabilities, experience and qualifications. That's what prejudice is in hiring- erroneously making assumptions that whatever group your bias favors will do better work than members of whatever group you are biased against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The myth is popular. It doesn't survive the logic of greed.

    I would suggest that either the definition of "the same job" needs careful attention, or the measures of productivity are skewed.

    Any company that could save 26% by firing the men and hiring women and refuses to do so is guilty of criminally abandoning it'sfiduciary duties to it's shareholders.
    Do you have any counter evidence we should consider? And studies or statistics to back your position that women get paid the same? If not, we'll have to go with the one I posted by default.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    actually when you compare unmarried women to unmarried men in the same job fields, women tend to earn just a shade more.

    it's when women drop out to be mothers, or scale back hours, or education, or other career development for the same that we begin to see the gap in wages emerge.

    Wage Gap Reversal: Young, Single Women Now Earn More Than Men
    Last edited by cpwill; 12-04-10 at 05:50 PM.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Huh, so six people on these forums haven't read the constitution.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Holy necromancy Batman!
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    35 here favor a "flat tax".
    Does this mean a million dollar tax on the idiot Donald Trump and a one dollar tax on Bob Cratchet and family?
    Donald would not be able to afford passage on a space shuttle; Bob would not be able to have the Christmas goose nor any presents for Tiny Tim..
    Is this what you conservatives want?
    Right now, its fair and affordable, lets leave it as is..
    And the old Bush tax cuts for the wealthy must be repealed.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    fairness, yes, i'd say that's what i want. all those who use government services pay for them; those who make little, pay little, those who make more, pay more.

    frankly, i'd rather see the whole thing replaced with a national sales tax a'la the Fair Tax; that way what you pay is voluntary.

    hyperbole about tiny tim irrespective

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    fairness, yes, i'd say that's what i want. all those who use government services pay for them; those who make little, pay little, those who make more, pay more.

    frankly, i'd rather see the whole thing replaced with a national sales tax a'la the Fair Tax; that way what you pay is voluntary.

    hyperbole about tiny tim irrespective
    Why do you hate Christmas?

    Anyway, Fair Tax is essentially regressive. Poor people spend a large portion of their income just on basic subsitence, it would hit them harder. The "prebate" idea just shifts it towards slightly-less-regressive.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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