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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
  • Other - explain

    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Really it seems that nerv 14 does
    true that

    I mostly agree with that, but I support limits on how long people can be on unemployment insurance.

    but then again, no matter how many times someone gets into an accident and trusts the government will pay for their life saving operation... so the lazy should be able to feed off the productive, to a degree

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    true that

    I mostly agree with that, but I support limits on how long people can be on unemployment insurance.

    but then again, no matter how many times someone gets into an accident and trusts the government will pay for their life saving operation... so the lazy should be able to feed off the productive, to a degree
    Why? What gives the government the right to take my money to support those to lazy to work?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Why? What gives the government the right to take my money to support those to lazy to work?
    utilitarian goals. promoting happiness and maximizing a certain type of freedom

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    utilitarian goals. promoting happiness and maximizing a certain type of freedom
    Not the governments job.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Not the governments job.
    as I said before, I don't see why if the government can make life better for us, then the government still shouldn't do it.

    Its one thing to say that the government creates more problems then it fixes, but then you should still support the government to fix the few problems that it can fix.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    as I said before, I don't see why if the government can make life better for us, then the government still shouldn't do it.

    Its one thing to say that the government creates more problems then it fixes, but then you should still support the government to fix the few problems that it can fix.
    Not by stealing my money to give to you

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    as I said before, I don't see why if the government can make life better for us, then the government still shouldn't do it.

    Its one thing to say that the government creates more problems then it fixes, but then you should still support the government to fix the few problems that it can fix.
    The government cannot make life better for us. The government has no property, no assets, and no means of generating either wealth or prosperity. Sure the government can improve the situation of one citizen, but it can do that only by disadvantaging another. And eventually enriching some at the expense of others will cause that well to run dry. It always has. I think it was Maggie Thatcher who once said that the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money.

    What government as our Founders envisioned it is supposed to do is to secure our rights and put sufficient laws and regulation into place to keep us from doing violence to each other without consequence, and then leave us alone to live our lives.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The government cannot make life better for us.
    The majority of Americans in this country that reelected FDR 3 times would very much disagree with you.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The government cannot make life better for us. The government has no property, no assets, and no means of generating either wealth or prosperity. Sure the government can improve the situation of one citizen, but it can do that only by disadvantaging another. And eventually enriching some at the expense of others will cause that well to run dry. It always has. I think it was Maggie Thatcher who once said that the problem with socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other peoples' money.

    What government as our Founders envisioned it is supposed to do is to secure our rights and put sufficient laws and regulation into place to keep us from doing violence to each other without consequence, and then leave us alone to live our lives.
    I think the interstate highway system has improved most peoples lives.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I think the interstate highway system has improved most peoples lives.
    SS is nice for people that retire as well
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