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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wealth redistribution will cause people to stop earning as much money. This will cause more poverty.
    i agree.

    i am just talking about inequality by itself.

    I support the free market specifically because it creates more wealth, but we should still acknowledge that in the short run wealth distribution does make people happier.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    i agree.

    i am just talking about inequality by itself.

    I support the free market specifically because it creates more wealth, but we should still acknowledge that in the short run wealth distribution does make people happier.
    No it doesn't it makes people lazy and they expect handouts instead of working for their needs.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    No it doesn't it makes people lazy and they expect handouts instead of working for their needs.
    fair enough

    But I am saying that those people will still have more money in their life with wealth distribution then without it.

    Do you disagree with that? if not, then we agree.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    fair enough

    But I am saying that those people will still have more money in their life with wealth distribution then without it.

    Do you disagree with that? if not, then we agree.
    So, they have not earned it and do not deserve it. If you are not willing to work you have made your own bed.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So, they have not earned it and do not deserve it. If you are not willing to work you have made your own bed.
    why are you so much against wealth redistribution? whats wrong with having something that wasn't directly earned?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    The whole debate about whether redistribution of wealth is good or bad isn't really based on anything in reality. The economic system, the tax code, and all manner of other policies and practices set the rules of the economic game. Those rules can be adjusted to favor one industry, group, individual, class, or company or another to varying degrees. It's like a whole set of dials that can be turned to favor this group or that, but there is no setting on any of the dials that favors everybody equally or is neutral or somehow more natural or anything like that. If you raise interest rates 0.25% that causes money to move from one guy to another. If you leave them as they are, that just causes the money to move to somebody else.

    Some people argue that those rules are currently too favorable to the uberwealthy, other people argue that they aren't. Either way, the rules our economy operates under are 'redistributing wealth' no matter what we do. It's not a question of whether or not it's good to have a hand in directing the wealth or not. That's inevitable in any set of rules. The question is whether the current set of rules for how the wealth gets distributed could be improved or not, and if so, how could they be improved.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    why are you so much against wealth redistribution? whats wrong with having something that wasn't directly earned?
    This wasn't directed at me, but I would like to respond to it.

    Voluntary wealth redistribution can be a good thing. Use your your money to give to somebody in need and you have the satisfaction of being a good person while nobody else is required to agree with your choice or contribute to your project. That is freedom and results in a stronger, more satisfying social contract and quality of life.

    Government forced wealth redistribution is something quite different. Now the government forces you to give up property that is legally and ethically yours and give it to somebody else who may or may not use it wisely or responsibly or to good advantage. That is a form of slavery that our Founders never intended to be imposed on a free people. Once the government has the power to do that, everything you own or will ever have will be at the disposal of the government. And you are no longer free.

    Even if the government restricts such activities just enough so that the people don't rise up in rebellion, it is a hugely corrupting influence on both government and those receiving from the government.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    i agree.

    i am just talking about inequality by itself.

    I support the free market specifically because it creates more wealth, but we should still acknowledge that in the short run wealth distribution does make people happier.
    You mean it makes some people happier to recieve stolen money?

    Who gives a **** if they're "happy" or not?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by nerv14 View Post
    why are you so much against wealth redistribution? whats wrong with having something that wasn't directly earned?
    Because it has to be stolen from it's owner.

    Duh!

    I will not oppose any wealth re-distribution scheme that:

    1) Takes only from people promoting the scheme,
    2) Leaves the promoters of the scheme below the national poverty level,
    3) and forever forbids those promoters the opportunity to receive stolen wealth.

    If they can't put their own money where their big lying mouths are, their scams shouldn't be allowed.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's right, but the language of the Constitution represented the hope for an egalitarian society.
    Right.

    Everyone had equal opportunity to rise or sink to the level they deserve.

    Can't get more equal than that.

    It certainly never was written to impose any kind of nonsensensical equal-income, equal wealth society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Exactly and having a very small percentage of the population owning the majority of the wealth is economical tyranny.
    No, it's called "you're not good enough to be rich and you're feeling jealous".

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Glad you weren't around when the Constitution was being written!
    It's clear you weren't around. You don't know what it means.

    But I'm here to guide you.

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