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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I say everybody just pay in about a hundred bucks, and make the gubment work with what we give them. they have proven they will spend every cent we give them, and still want more. Spoiled Brats, is all they are.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    I say everybody just pay in about a hundred bucks, and make the gubment work with what we give them. they have proven they will spend every cent we give them, and still want more. Spoiled Brats, is all they are.
    Well, under my preferred tax plan, a person making $1,000 would pay about a hundred bucks, but a person making $20,000 would pay $2,000 and a person making $200,000 would pay $20,000. I think such a tax system would so free up resources and so spur the economy that there would be lots and lots more people making closer to that $200,000 and those willing to prepare themselves to be valuable employees and willing to work wouldn't be stuck at the $20,000 for long.

    But you are absolutely right that the government, as it currently is, will spend every penny it can get its hands on, look for any way it can collect even more, and will borrow on top of that.

    I challenge all members to watch this relatively short CNN clip and then tell me that the government needs more money:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_xgKWzhRw"]YouTube- Cafferty on Pelosi[/ame]

    I envision tax reform of the sort that the Federal government, in addition to initiating a fair, flat, and across the board tax system that is applied to all working Americans, will also be restricted to spending only that which it absolutely has to have to fulfill its Constitutionally mandated responsibilities. And, if it collects more than it needs for that, it will put the excess into a trust fund and reduce tax rates across the board because it will be obviously collecting more than it needs.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    TO: Scarecrow Akhbar:

    I am sure it was unintentional but you attributed this to me which I did not post:
    Yes, you're right.

    Sorry 'bout that.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    [quote=Scarecrow Akhbar;1058492748]
    Can someone explain how stealing more money from someone solely because he has more money is "progressive" and how allowing someone to keep the money he earned is "regressive"?
    I wouldn't know about that but I do know why our forefathers set up the progressive tax 96 years ago, and why it has been continued by both parties ever since then.

    It was set up that way to prevent a small number of robber barons from owning everything in the country, thus ruining the dreams of the nation's founding fathers of an egalitarian society.

    Even today, the top 20% own 80% of the wealth.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Reality Land View Post
    A form of flat tax, the "Fair Tax" is what I endorse. It ensures all pay tax and taxes those who make more, are here illegally, and still preserves the progressive nature of our current tax code. It does away with those loopholes and takes away the political control our reps exploit for votes.
    If it retains the socialist...er "pro-gressive" nature of the current tax code it isn't very fair, now is it?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    If it retains the socialist...er "pro-gressive" nature of the current tax code it isn't very fair, now is it?
    Who says life is fair, where is that written?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    That same vast majority get the bulk of their goods at a large business though. Places that know how to make money are always going to learn better ways of cheating. One way is to pass on the added expense of hiring new workers (to count inventory) would be to rase prices.

    I've got a really huge and really important question to ask you:

    So?


    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    They would then have to worry about some kind of "loss prevention" (ie: un skilled temporary workers who steal the most valuable, smallest inventory to offset the low wedges they will be paid and long hours they will be working.) That means more skilled workers watching their backs, some kind of system that would prove theft in a court of law, law suits on both sides (ie: excessive force by loss prevention vs innocent worker / or sneaky worker vs honest company.) Those prices get passed down and all of a sudden your paying twenty bucks for a tooth brush.
    Yeah, that's clearly a problem they don't have to deal with now.

    My tooth brush cost more than sixty dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    Just to be clear I am in favor of a national sales tax plan. I am only saying that plan is not going to be easy.
    I don't recall saying the word "easy" in relation to applying any form of tax at all.

    What is necessary is that we have to get Congress and the federal government as far out of our personal lives as possible.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Who says life is fair, where is that written?
    Amendment 14:

    ....nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    EQUAL protection means either the same tax, or the same tax rate. A graduated income tax, ie, the socialist taxation scam every would be thief calls "progressive", violates this clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I wouldn't know about that but I do know why our forefathers set up the progressive tax 96 years ago,.
    So do I.

    Class envy and incrementalism.

    Not good reasons to violate the Fourteenth Amendment.
    Last edited by Scarecrow Akhbar; 01-19-10 at 05:17 PM.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Amendment 14:

    ....nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    EQUAL protection means either the same tax, or the same tax rate. A graduated income tax, ie, the socialist taxation scam every would be thief calls "progressive", violates this clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    And in theory the right to life in the declaration of independence is a stab at insurance companies and economic income disparity further advocated the 14 amendment?
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