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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I would be happy to give up a flat 1%. It would make my life alot easier and the government would make more money.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Currently the IRS sits atop a mountain of books called "Tax Law" that no one undestands, and it rules the roost by intimidation.

    How can people, with a straight face, claim that a national sales tax would be more difficult to process?

    No exemptions, no deductions, just GAAP.

    The individual citizen doesn't have to fear the tax man any more.

    The businessman doesn't have any complicated formulas to figure out. Just Gross Retail Sales x Tax Rate = Tax. And for that he gives up the IRS intrusion into his non-business related private affairs.

    Seems to me the only people that lose are the government and it's employees.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Currently the IRS sits atop a mountain of books called "Tax Law" that no one undestands, and it rules the roost by intimidation.
    No one understands eh? So all of the accountants and lawyers at Pricewaterhouse Coopers, KPMG, Grant Thorton, Deloitte, and E&Y don't understand it?

    How can people, with a straight face, claim that a national sales tax would be more difficult to process?
    Process? Hello, can you read? It would be more difficult to enforce compliance. Not process. Seriously. The capacity to read eludes many here.

    perhaps you should get your terms straight before replying. This isn't over processing. It's over compliance.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I would be happy to give up a flat 1%. It would make my life alot easier and the government would make more money.
    Which they would spend, so they would need more money . . .

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What? Do you know what collections are?
    Hummel Figures, right?

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    Okay, what's preventing people from lying?
    Gee, I know everyone is totally honest on their taxes today. You're right, we'd turn the businessmen of America into tax cheats overnight. How awful.

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    Uh, not all businesses operate on GAAP.
    Require it.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Furthermore, many cash basis GAAP have many ways of hiding sales. And no, the IRS doesn't go through individuals manually.
    That's what they hire proctologists for.

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    Hence why you have two sets of books.
    No. I didn't. You don't need extra books when you don't record sales.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You should know just how easy it is to hide sales.
    I guess you never heard of "moon lighting" and or about getting paid "under the table".

    You must know that you can't base your arguments on the prevention of activities that are already in progress on a massive scale under the current system, right? I mean, your arguments are empty.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The rest of your post is little more then diatribe that does not address why a national sales tax would be difficult to enforce,
    Since I'm not saying that a national sales tax would be difficult to enforce, I'm not required to show that it would be difficult to enforce. The reality is that it would be easier to enforce, more fairly distributed across the population, and less intrusive than the current system.

    You're the one that's failed to show that it's more difficult than what we've got now.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No one understands eh? So all of the accountants and lawyers at Pricewaterhouse Coopers, KPMG, Grant Thorton, Deloitte, and E&Y don't understand it?
    No one who reads it as an instrument of revenue collection can understand the document.

    It's an instrument of societal control and oppression. And no, if it was easily understood it wouldn't require overpriced attorneys and judges to interpret.

    Doesn't the fact that attorneys are used to intervene in what are essentially accounting matters by itself tell the whole story of what's wrong with the US tax code?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Process? Hello, can you read? It would be more difficult to enforce compliance. Not process. Seriously. The capacity to read eludes many here.
    You keep saying that. You can't prove it because it's not true. Reducing the complexity of the code removes the ability to confuse investigators, and reducing the number of reporting persons reduces the workload of the agency, making it easier for them to find the cheats.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    perhaps you should get your terms straight before replying. This isn't over processing. It's over compliance.
    Compliance is determined by correct processing.

    Simplifying processing simplifies compliance verification.

    Also, Hillary Clinton would not have been able to set the IRS on Billy Dale if a national sales tax had been imposed at the time. Just another IRS issue to consider.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No one understands eh? So all of the accountants and lawyers at Pricewaterhouse Coopers, KPMG, Grant Thorton, Deloitte, and E&Y don't understand it?
    Well, some people understand it. Some people who can afford to pay others to understand it. I do believe government is too big, but government is people. There are too many people, making too many problems to quote Phill Collens. Population control, by means of an educated populace choosing weather or not to have children, may be a solution to a lot of our tax and spend worries.

    I may be over simplifying this issue though.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Did Scarecrow even address anything I said?

    I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how auditing millions of businesses' inventory is easy.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Io0011 View Post
    Well, some people understand it. Some people who can afford to pay others to understand it.
    I'd wager that 99.999% of the tax code is irrelevant to 80% of the population. So people don't need to know it because it never applies to them. Much of the code is also due to lobbyists getting specific deductions applicable to their industries. And significant amounts to prevent abusive schemes setup by accountants and lawyers.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    You're the one that's failed to show that it's more difficult than what we've got now.
    A tax on consumption will be complicated. How would you verify it? The only way I have heard would be a new-world-order-esk system of computerized banking where money does not exist. Which I think would be unenforceable, and evil if it was.

    Or are you talking about some other tax method, I am a little confused.

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