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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    When did we get a progressive tax system? All I've ever seen is a socialist tax system.
    Learn the definition of socialism and then get back to me!

    so⋅cial⋅ism

    –noun
    1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

    That doesn't sound that bad does it? If you're going to argue theory, at least be able to define what that pejorative even means.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post

    I am not aware of the Supreme Court determining current Congressional duties to be unconstitutional. Do you have a link for that?
    Current Congressional duties are always Constitution.

    The Constitution defines the duties of Congress.

    What I'm sure was meant was current Congressional activities, such as creating socialist security, public education, the FHA, the NEA, and the latest scam, the Health Care Monster. None of that is allowed by Article I, Section 8.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I'm for removing income taxes, and increasing sales tax. Some of you were concerned that rich people would pay less taxes than today. That problem can be solved by not having VAT for essentials. Which means, poor people don't need to pay taxes at all.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Learn the definition of socialism and then get back to me!
    Okay, I'm back.

    Since "progressive" was a propaganda term to hide the reality that Americans promoting socialism in the land of the free, what's your problem with people a century later pointing out their crimes?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Camlon View Post
    I'm for removing income taxes, and increasing sales tax. Some of you were concerned that rich people would pay less taxes than today. That problem can be solved by not having VAT for essentials. Which means, poor people don't need to pay taxes at all.
    Why shouldn't poor people pay taxes?

    Why shouldn't they pay their fair share?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Why shouldn't poor people pay taxes?

    Why shouldn't they pay their fair share?
    It's not really a tax break for poor people, because rich people can do the same, but they don't want to.

    However, I sympathize with many poor people who struggle to keep their finances in order. I want to make sure that it is possible to live very cheap if you have trouble with the finances.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Okay, I'm back.

    Since "progressive" was a propaganda term to hide the reality that Americans promoting socialism in the land of the free, what's your problem with people a century later pointing out their crimes?
    You don't understand the difference between approbative statements and pejorative statements.

    Progressive is either/or depending on the outlet. Likewise, socialistic is either/or. It's stupid to quantify "land of the free" as a contrast to a pejorative statement, that's a double no-no. That further misguides people as to what socialism actually is.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Why shouldn't poor people pay taxes?

    Why shouldn't they pay their fair share?
    Yeah, keep the poor poor. Why should they get away without paying taxes?
    Last edited by Dirty Harry; 01-14-10 at 08:12 PM.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    When did we get a progressive tax system?
    I addressed this already in post #139 -

    "In the late 1800's and early 1900's there was a group of super wealthy American capitalist known as the Robber Barons. Our elected leaders realized that if they did not pass some major legislation the Robber Barons would eventually own every inch of land in America and our founding fathers vision of an egalitarian democratic republic would be destroyed, and our Constitution would be worthless. So in 1913 they passed the sixteenth amendment to the Constitution and a highly progressive tax system."
    History Of America's Highly Progressive Tax System
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Current Congressional duties are always Constitution.

    The Constitution defines the duties of Congress.

    What I'm sure was meant was current Congressional activities, such as creating socialist security, public education, the FHA, the NEA, and the latest scam, the Health Care Monster.
    The Supreme Court would make the call on those charges as to whether they are Constitutional or not. Do you have a link to successful challenges to SS, public ED, the FHA, the NEA or the health insurance reform?

    None of that is allowed by Article I, Section 8.

    According to your interpretation. Fortunately, by the rule of law, the Supreme Court is the official body for interpreting the Constitution and any amendments added.
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