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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

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  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
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    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I support a flat income tax for anyone above the poverty line IF there were no loopholes whatsoever for anyone above the poverty line to get out of paying it.
    Only if the government benefits recieved by those claiming "poverty" are treated as taxable income.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    a national sales tax discourages consumption as well, which is not always a good thing.
    A national sales tax encourages thrift and savings.

    That's always a good thing.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    What we really need is a government that controls spending and lives within a budget.

    I voted sales tax but then all other taxes should vanish.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I would suggest a resource tax: the more resources you use, the more you pay in taxes. I'm talking physical, tangible resources of more or less any kind, with some provision that people who are ill and therefore using more medical resources get a pass. Would work more or less the same for both businesses and individuals.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I want a simplified progressive income tax.

    A flat tax is too regressive against the poor, while a national sales tax won't bring in enough tax revenue.
    As much as I don't like taxes (and I think maybe land tax should be eliminated), the fact is that both flat and strict sales tax are all regressive forms of taxation. In that light, I would agree that the simplest form of tax is a progressive income tax. Though I don't like the base form of that tax as a tax on one's labor. However, at some point we have to understand that taxes are necessary and we should try to find the best system to implement. It may just be the progressive income tax.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    A national sales tax encourages thrift and savings.

    That's always a good thing.
    Not in an inflation driven economy like ours. In that case, debt is the way to go. Borrow money and pay it back with dollars worth less than the ones you borrowed originally.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not in an inflation driven economy like ours. In that case, debt is the way to go. Borrow money and pay it back with dollars worth less than the ones you borrowed originally.
    Yeah, use your credit card to pay your credit card.

    That's not really a good idea, you know.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, use your credit card to pay your credit card.

    That's not really a good idea, you know.
    Well you can always take it to ridiculous measures. But basically in any big inflationary type economy, which is what we get with the fed, savings are actually punished as the value of that currency is decreasing in time.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    My opinion on this one has varied a bit. A few months ago I would have said that any progressive tax was an unfair tax on success.

    The fact is though, a flat tax capable of generating enough revenue to run even half of what the government currently does would be devastating to the poor and the modest-income working class.

    Okay, so you exempt those below the poverty line. I got news: the last time I read what the so-called "poverty line" was, buddy it isn't high enough! You can't support a small family in America, in what we consider decent conditions, on 25k a year in most areas.

    Okay, so we kick the bar up again...your first 30k is exempt. Now...you know what we've actually got here? We have a progressive tax.

    If you make 25k, you pay no income tax.
    If you make 35k, you pay taxes only on the last 5k.
    If you make 100k, you pay taxes on 70k of it.
    If you make 500k, you pay taxes on 470k of it.

    Hello, progressive tax.

    A sales tax adequate to support current governmental spending would have to be huge... like 20-30 cents on the dollar...nor would I be willing to bet that sales tax would definately end income tax for all time; politicians are untrustworthy $@%$#@es.

    No, I think a progressive income tax is inevitable, as much as I hate it. I think the "curve" should be moderate and there should be a top end no higher than 30%... and everybody with an income should have to pay something, say put a bottom rate of 0.5% so that everyone has a stake in gov't and spending.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I believe an honestly applied flat tax that everybody from the poorest to the richest has to pay would be the least regressive and the most advantageous to the nation's prosperity.
    "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it." --Benjamin Franklin 1776

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