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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
  • Other - explain

    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure. Slap on another disincentive to hiring. That'll help unemployment.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    money is a small price to pay for the welfare of the poor
    No, it's actually quite a large price.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    money is a small price to pay for the welfare of the poor
    You suppress hiring, and there going to be a lot more poor.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You suppress hiring, and there going to be a lot more poor.
    explain to me how a living wage surpresses hiring.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    explain to me how a living wage surpresses hiring.


    You raise the cost of employing people, employers do less of it. Simple math. You buy less of anything that gets more expensive.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure. Slap on another disincentive to hiring. That'll help unemployment.
    Its never been shown to be a disincentive to hiring. But it has been shown that the Bush tax cuts led to a greater disparity between the upper and lower classes.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Its never been shown to be a disincentive to hiring.
    As someone who hires people, I can tell you for a fact that it does. And these are extraordinary times where every cent of the bottom line matters. If you can eke out a budget to hire two people and then suddenly the cost for both go up and outside your budget, you end up hiring one.

    As I said above -- simple math. Not to mention all the other stressors and uncertainty hindering hiring right now.


    But it has been shown that the Bush tax cuts led to a greater disparity between the upper and lower classes.
    Good for you. Has nothing to do with anything I said.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    You raise the cost of employing people, employers do less of it. Simple math. You buy less of anything that gets more expensive.
    Workers are NOT a commodity to be bought and sold.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    explain to me how a living wage surpresses hiring.
    Say I run a store. I need people to work the cash register and the floor. In order to turn a profit, I can only afford to spend $28/hour on employees. If I pay minimum wage, which is $7/hour, I can hire 4 people to work fulltime. If the minimum wage is set at $14/hour because that's a "living wage," then I can only hire 2 people to work fulltime. Thus, two people who I would have gladly paid and who gladly would have worked for me are unemployed.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Workers are NOT a commodity to be bought and sold.
    Yes, they absolutely are.

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