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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The minute you adopt the attitude that Citizen A has more than Citizen B for whatever reason and therefore it is okay to forcibly take some of what Citizen A has and not Citizen B, you generate and promote corruption. When you adopt the attitude that all people are entitled to the fruit of their own labor without prejudice, you have a society that is truly free and open and inspirational to all who aspire to make their own lives better.

    A flat tax is the most fair, equitable, and least regressive way to raise revenues to fund the necessary responsibility and obligations of government. Because they have more, the rich will pay much more than the poor, but if everybody pays, everybody has a valid stake in the system and it is far more difficult to corrupt.
    Citizen A has money, and can spare it maintaining a comfortable above average lifestyle.

    Citizen B works around the clock, makes ends meat, and needs to be helped in order to ensure a decent standard of living.

    Flat tax is a fancy way of saying everyone gives according to a base rate, and that neglects that some people need more help than others
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Citizen A has money, and can spare it maintaining a comfortable above average lifestyle.

    Citizen B works around the clock, makes ends meat, and needs to be helped in order to ensure a decent standard of living.

    Flat tax is a fancy way of saying everyone gives according to a base rate, and that neglects that some people need more help than others
    What right do I have to demand that you give me some of your property because I need it and you have more than I do? When I can do that, what freedom or rights do any of us have?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What right do I have to demand that you give me some of your property because I need it and you have more than I do? When you can do that, what freedom or rights do any of us have?
    You live in a society. You aren't a rugged individual like your fiscal pals would have you believe. You make X, you keep Y, where Y is more than the average american.

    Freedom? Where is the freedom of social mobility for the worker? Does the grunt get promoted? Sometimes for merit, sometimes for other reasons.

    Where is the meritocracy the right champions?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    What right do I have to demand that you give me some of your property because I need it and you have more than I do?
    Because your neighbours Mercedes is less important than the education of your children.

    When I can do that, what freedom or rights do any of us have?
    The rich have no right to whine and moan about having to chip in to pay for the society that made them rich and keeps them rich.

    By the way much of the tax money goes to clean up the mess the capitalist society produces: pollution, unemployment, crime, financial breakdowns etc.

    The rich have all the rights and freedoms in the world. Being more grateful for their privileged position in society would suit them better than being sad about themselves being too poor and the poor being too rich.
    The poor complain; they always do
    But thatís just idle chatter
    Our system brings reward to all
    At least all those who matter.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Regicollis View Post
    Because your neighbours Mercedes is less important than the education of your children.



    The rich have no right to whine and moan about having to chip in to pay for the society that made them rich and keeps them rich.

    By the way much of the tax money goes to clean up the mess the capitalist society produces: pollution, unemployment, crime, financial breakdowns etc.

    The rich have all the rights and freedoms in the world. Being more grateful for their privileged position in society would suit them better than being sad about themselves being too poor and the poor being too rich.
    I agree.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    You live in a society. You aren't a rugged individual like your fiscal pals would have you believe. You make X, you keep Y, where Y is more than the average american.

    Freedom? Where is the freedom of social mobility for the worker? Does the grunt get promoted? Sometimes for merit, sometimes for other reasons.

    Where is the meritocracy the right champions?
    The 'grunt' who educates himself, applies himself, cleans himself up, shows up for work on time, gives an honest days work while he hones skills and learns the business indeed gets promoted. The guy who chooses to think the world owes him a living and he is not responsible for his own welfare probably doesn't.

    Don't duck the question though.

    If I make choices that hinder my ability to support myself in the style I would like, what right do I have to demand that you support me just because you made good choices and prospered as a result of that? I want you to define the right that entitles me to what you earn.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The 'grunt' who educates himself, applies himself, cleans himself up, shows up for work on time, gives an honest days work while he hones skills and learns the business indeed gets promoted. The guy who chooses to think the world owes him a living and he is not responsible for his own welfare probably doesn't.

    Don't duck the question though.

    If I make choices that hinder my ability to support myself in the style I would like, what right do I have to demand that you support me just because you made good choices and prospered as a result of that? I want you to define the right that entitles me to what you earn.
    Yea, i understand. But is there not a double standard here? Do people start lifestyle choices that hinder themselves on the top of the economic ladder and abuse the money alloted them? You bet they do.

    White collar crime
    Off-shore money accounts
    Embezzlement


    Think Bernie Maddof and tell me if we live in a meritocracy.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Right, trust me if we keep on the road we are on? There will be an uprise. People are sick and tired of the gov. and their lies.
    But they value their PS3's and their Applebee's 2 for 20 deals more than they do anything else, so I don't really see them causing an uprising.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Yea, i understand. But is there not a double standard here? Do people start lifestyle choices that hinder themselves on the top of the economic ladder and abuse the money alloted them? You bet they do.

    White collar crime
    Off-shore money accounts
    Embezzlement


    Think Bernie Maddof and tell me if we live in a meritocracy.
    But that's a totally different issue.

    Bernie Madoff was intentionally mismanaging other people's money, so they have every right to demand that he make that right.

    I am talking about Citizen A who made good choices, worked hard, learned a trade, and became prosperous.

    Citizen B made bad choices, goofed off a lot, did just enough to get by way too often, and now he's below the poverty line.

    What principle do you use to justify Citizen B having any claim on any part of Citizen A's property?

    Charity is noble and necessary in a moral society, but it is charity only when it is voluntary.

    But when you are forced/required to give me part of what you have just because I have less, we are dealing with legalized involuntary servitude and, since slavery was abolished, I can find no principle in the Constitution that justifies that.

    How can anybody have liberty if the government has the ability to take whatever it wants and tells us how much we are allowed to have?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But that's a totally different issue.

    Bernie Madoff was intentionally mismanaging other people's money, so they have every right to demand that he make that right.

    I am talking about Citizen A who made good choices, worked hard, learned a trade, and became prosperous.

    Citizen B made bad choices, goofed off a lot, did just enough to get by way too often, and now he's below the poverty line.

    What principle do you use to justify Citizen B having any claim on any part of Citizen A's property?

    Charity is noble and necessary in a moral society, but it is charity only when it is voluntary.

    But when you are forced/required to give me part of what you have just because I have less, we are dealing with legalized involuntary servitude and, since slavery was abolished, I can find no principle in the Constitution that justifies that.

    How can anybody have liberty if the government has the ability to take whatever it wants and tells us how much we are allowed to have?
    Some of us don't have that optimistic an outlook on human nature. I for one think that education is the premiere way to promote tolerance and morality. You can have liberty, and you do, under governmental control, if you are mentally sane. Save the conspiracy theory horse**** and look at the nation as a whole. We need to be collectivists, and pacfists, and I don't trust the right wing with either of those
    Last edited by Z3n; 01-11-10 at 03:00 AM.
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