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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
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    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You have proof of your accusations?

    Only the last Dozen years of Reality and obfuscation on the hearings (the opinion part).. and if you'd like I can prove the 2 Billionaires too.

    I have proved everything I've said.. and given links for it.

    While you seem good at only Bashing what you don't like.

    Have you used FTs 'tax calculator'.. I betcha you saved ALOT.. everyone does even tho FT is "Revenue neutral"

    But.. wait...

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Only the last Dozen years of Reality and obfuscation on the hearings (the opinion part).. and if you'd like I can prove the 2 Billionaires too.

    I have proved everything I've said.. and given links for it.

    While you seem good at only Bashing what you don't like.
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    I see no links just a rant

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I see no links just a rant
    No one has posted More links than me and proved his point More thoroughly.

    You are just bashing what you don't like while I've put up Hard Numbers from the most Credible sources and Links possible.
    NYT. WSJ. Congressional Joint committee on Taxes, US Treasury, etc

    What are your links?

    What a JOKE!

    NEXT!
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    FairTaxFRAUD.com



    The Book, The Crook, and the Followers
    What it's all about: The Book

    The Book, "The FairTax Book", written by Right-wing radio talk show host Neal Boortz, is the basis for and Bible for a recent right-wing Cult-like movement to replace the current US tax code with a national sales tax. We suggest you familiarize yourself with it by purchasing or borrowing the book from your local library. We want you to be as informed as possible so that you can make a logical decision based on facts, and not on party loyalty or hype.

    We consider the FairTax to be nothing more than a Smokescreen for a huge tax cut to the wealthiest Americans and a Gigantic tax Increase for everyone else to make up for it. As you read, ask yourself what you would get from this plan if it was ever made into law. With critical thinking you will find that the FairTax is not only a Lie and a Scam, but it will throw many Americans into Permanent Poverty. We believe the FairTax plan taxes hard work - the sweat of our brows and the toil of our labor - while at the same time it makes free welfare money (inheritances, gifts, and capital gains), that wasn't worked for and wasn't earned, completely tax free.

    The FairTax INCREASES the Size of Government making all who sell or trade part of the Big Brother network.
    This new tax bill gives the government additional powers to rule the poor and literally grants additional rights to the wealthiest people in America. George Orwell would have been proud.

    The FairTax is ANTI-FAMILY. The FairTax penalizes poor families for buying Food, Clothes, shelter, and Medical care by taxing All the basic Necessities of life.

    These things are NOT taxed right now (and shouldn't be) but they ARE HEAVILY TAXED under the FairTax plan. Remember this when you get barraged by a FairTax supporter that says the prebate will give you a portion of this additional tax back and you should be grateful to the new Big Brother Government for giving you anything back. The FairTax bill penalizes those who live paycheck to paycheck taxing every dollar spent to make ends meet while UN-TAXING the rich and wealthy who live off of inheritances, trusts, gifts, and old money.
    [............]
    Interestingly enough, none of the $20 million plus spent on research material mentioned in the book has ever been published for review. ....

    According to other sources Leo Linbeck Jr., a Conservative Texas Billionaire that inherited his wealth from billionaire daddy Leo Linbeck Sr., is the man behind the FairTax.
    His two collaborators were Billionaire Houston Texans owner Bob McNair and attorney/Houston Industries director Jack Trotter
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    They are all huge donators to the right-wing Political Action Committee known as "Club For Growth" and the Republican National Committee......"
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    Note the UTTERLY EMPTY POST BELOW.
    Seeking to discredit hard facts with a ridiculous and shallow smear 'liberals'.
    Not debate/Beneath debate.
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    Re: FairTaxFRAUD.com

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Nice I go to about us and they hide who they are. Sounds more like propaganda to me than facts. Also notice it sounds like they are mostly liberals.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Rising inequality isn't new. The gap between rich and poor started growing before Ronald Reagan took office, and it continued to widen through the Clinton years. But what is happening under Bush is something entirely unprecedented: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth and they know it."

    Paul Krugman on the Great Wealth Transfer : Rolling Stone

    That is why the public kicked out the bums in 2006 and 2008 and elected representatives that promised to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.

    So laugh on funny boys! Carry on with your pipe dream of a regressive tax to make the corporate millionaires even more wealthy.

    The American public is not going to be terribly sympathetic to those that received billions in bailouts with our tax dollars with their (and your) desires for less taxes on the record profits we enabled.
    Translation: "I don't have anything to rebut the facts you've provided, so instead I'll throw out a random quote from Krugman and then include a ridiculous appeal to authority. Then I'll just respond to everything with "thanks for your opinion!" and tell myself that I've won."
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean in addition to the numbers myself and others have already posted?
    OK.

    (AP) "The gap between rich and poor is getting bigger in the world's richest countries - and particularly the United States - as top earners' incomes soar while others' stagnate, according to a 30-nation report released Tuesday."

    "The United States has the highest inequality and poverty in the OECD after Mexico and Turkey, and the gap has increased rapidly since 2000, the report said."

    "In the United States, the richest 10 percent earn an average of $93,000 - the highest level in the OECD. The poorest 10 percent earn an average of $5,800 - about 20 percent lower than the OECD average."
    Gap Between Rich And Poor Growing - CBS News
    And this supports your and Krugman's assertion... how? (Try going back to when you quoted that assertion if you're not sure what you're supposed to be providing evidence for.)


    I would have responded to the rest of your post but honestly, RightinNYC summarized it all perfectly in his post above. If you prefer dishing out unrelated quotes and rhetoric to backing up your assertions with facts, then I'm not sure what you're even doing at a debate site.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Translation: "I don't have anything to rebut the facts you've provided, so instead I'll throw out a random quote from Krugman and then include a ridiculous appeal to authority.
    What's even more odd is how he threw in a random unrelated Krugman quote in an attempt to support his random unrelated Krugman quote....

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Back here in Virginia, we call them trailer park conservatives, as they tend to vote against their own best interest!
    In 1980 my mother worked for a government program that Reagan vowed to eliminate if he became President. She voted for him anyways, the end result being that she lost her job when he won, because she truly believed him to be the best candidate overall.

    Voting against one's own self-interest is not foolish; it is noble.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I give a post on fair tax and you go to this?
    The fair tax is a consumption tax, for which my post addressed.

    "That's what Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee wants to do. The former Arkansas governor wants to junk personal and corporate income taxes and federal payroll taxes and replace them with a national sales tax called the Fair Tax."
    Is the Fair Tax really fair? - MSN Money
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