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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

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  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Rising inequality isn't new. The gap between rich and poor started growing before Ronald Reagan took office, and it continued to widen through the Clinton years. But what is happening under Bush is something entirely unprecedented: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth and they know it."

    Paul Krugman on the Great Wealth Transfer : Rolling Stone
    Numbers to back this up?

    That is why the public kicked out the bums in 2006 and 2008 and elected representatives that promised to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.
    If you really think that the elections of 2006 and 2008 had anything to do with the Bush tax cuts at all, you are not very well informed.

    So laugh on funny boys! Carry on with your pipe dream of a regressive tax
    Do you even know what a regressive tax is? Hint: nobody here is advocating it.

    to make the corporate millionaires even more wealthy.
    Boo-hoo, rich people getting richer. Wait, why is this bad?

    The American public is not going to be terribly sympathetic to those that received billions in bailouts with our tax dollars with their (and your) desires for less taxes on the record profits we enabled.
    Except this thread has nothing to do with the bailouts. Stay on topic.


    Have you ever even come close to adequately addressing a single point given to you on this thread?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Numbers to back this up?
    You mean in addition to the numbers myself and others have already posted?
    OK.

    (AP) "The gap between rich and poor is getting bigger in the world's richest countries - and particularly the United States - as top earners' incomes soar while others' stagnate, according to a 30-nation report released Tuesday."

    "The United States has the highest inequality and poverty in the OECD after Mexico and Turkey, and the gap has increased rapidly since 2000, the report said."

    "In the United States, the richest 10 percent earn an average of $93,000 - the highest level in the OECD. The poorest 10 percent earn an average of $5,800 - about 20 percent lower than the OECD average."
    Gap Between Rich And Poor Growing - CBS News

    If you really think that the elections of 2006 and 2008 had anything to do with the Bush tax cuts at all, you are not very well informed.
    Insult noted.

    Do you even know what a regressive tax is? Hint: nobody here is advocating it.
    Second insult noted as well. Are you expecting a reply to them as well? Flat tax and a consumption tax (National Sales tax) are both forms of a regressive tax. Poster's on this thread have been advocating for them.

    "Consumption taxes are by nature regressive because the poor must spend more of their money than the rich while it is the rich who do most of the saving."
    Washingtonpost.com: Tax Policy Special Report
    Boo-hoo, rich people getting richer. Wait, why is this bad?
    Nothing bad about it unless it is done on the backs of the nations lower classes. That is why the progressive tax system was instituted and continued for the last 96 years.

    Except this thread has nothing to do with the bailouts.
    The bailouts was a redistribution of tax dollars so I maintain it is very much on topic, since the National sales tax would further benefit this group that has already benefited some much from this redistribution of wealth.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    From my posts you can of course tell I agree.

    As I said, the 'proof of the pudding' even before the recession went into full bloom was the govt stimulous checks. Wholeheartedly approved by Both parties and well needed.

    The fact is, it was (and still is) So bad, even the GOP realized they had to give out some moola because the little guy didn't even have enough money to spend on Cars/Computers/etc that it was hurting the Big guys stocks!

    And now they want to Sales or Flat tax the small guy even more with these Schemes!!!

    You'll note all these tax "simplifications" are TOP Down.

    The rich benefit far more- and not just becase the pay more- but because they ant to shift the burden Down.
    It's not only Unfair (Fair is irrelevant if you're trying to get blood from a stone).. but IMPOSSIBLE.

    How about a "Tax simplification" with NO taxes for anyone under 30k, eliminating Tens of Millions of returns and small potates receipts?

    Good idea but you can't get Lobbyists to work for the under 30k crowd and the have no money to bribe the 97 senators who are Millionaires with.

    The Biggest Dupes being Low income 'conservatives' who are really just doing their rich masters dirty work in the name of 'principal', but suffering just as bad as the 'welfare crowd' they think they're choking.
    Back here in Virginia, we call them trailer park conservatives, as they tend to vote against their own best interest!
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I like NO TAX down with the IRS!
    Id go with a National Sales Tax; I like what the people at FAIRTAX.ORG are doing.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I like NO TAX – down with the IRS!
    I’d go with a National Sales Tax; I like what the people at FAIRTAX.ORG are doing.
    Me Too!

    I'm for No Tax!

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Same to you my friend! The progressive tax system in this country has endured through 96 years, good times and bad, under both Democratic and Republican control.

    Thinking the American public that has recently suffered under the widest gap in incomes between the rich and the lower classes since the Great Depression, I consider the push now to make our system even more regressive and favorable for the rich to be a non-starter.

    In that regard, who are the National politicians that are proposing a consumption tax????
    I give a post on fair tax and you go to this?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Numbers to back this up?



    If you really think that the elections of 2006 and 2008 had anything to do with the Bush tax cuts at all, you are not very well informed.



    Do you even know what a regressive tax is? Hint: nobody here is advocating it.



    Boo-hoo, rich people getting richer. Wait, why is this bad?



    Except this thread has nothing to do with the bailouts. Stay on topic.


    Have you ever even come close to adequately addressing a single point given to you on this thread?
    So tell me how has the gap changed under Obama?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean in addition to the numbers myself and others have already posted?
    OK.

    (AP) "The gap between rich and poor is getting bigger in the world's richest countries - and particularly the United States - as top earners' incomes soar while others' stagnate, according to a 30-nation report released Tuesday."

    "The United States has the highest inequality and poverty in the OECD after Mexico and Turkey, and the gap has increased rapidly since 2000, the report said."

    "In the United States, the richest 10 percent earn an average of $93,000 - the highest level in the OECD. The poorest 10 percent earn an average of $5,800 - about 20 percent lower than the OECD average."
    Gap Between Rich And Poor Growing - CBS News



    Insult noted.



    Second insult noted as well. Are you expecting a reply to them as well? Flat tax and a consumption tax (National Sales tax) are both forms of a regressive tax. Poster's on this thread have been advocating for them.

    "Consumption taxes are by nature regressive because the poor must spend more of their money than the rich – while it is the rich who do most of the saving."
    Washingtonpost.com: Tax Policy Special Report


    Nothing bad about it unless it is done on the backs of the nations lower classes. That is why the progressive tax system was instituted and continued for the last 96 years.



    The bailouts was a redistribution of tax dollars so I maintain it is very much on topic, since the National sales tax would further benefit this group that has already benefited some much from this redistribution of wealth.
    Yet our poor in many countries would be well off.

    You need to look at how the fair tax act address that not at how it worked in other places.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    The FACT is they really can't even get serious congressional hearings for Fairytax, just want it passed.

    Because NO ONE Really wants to testify/LIE under oath!

    All it's supporters would take a powder or have to speak in large generalities to protect themselves from Perjury.

    BTW, Fairytax, was of course, the brainchild of Two Texas Billionaires.

    If it ever got close they'd have to name a REAL Rate.. so it can't pass.

    DOA.

    It's already been scored by the Joint Congressional committe on taxes in the Mid 50s% range.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    The FACT is they really can't even get serious congressional hearings for Fairytax, just want it passed.

    Because NO ONE Really wants to testify/LIE under oath!

    All it's supporters would take a powder or have to speak in large generalities to protect themselves from Perjury.

    BTW, Fairytax, was of course, the brainchild of Two Texas Billionaires.

    If it ever got close they'd have to name a REAL Rate.. so it can't pass.

    DOA.

    It's already been scored by the Joint Congressional committe on taxes in the Mid 50% range.

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