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  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    A graduated income tax is the fairest, in my opinion. 5% of a $35,000 income can really make someone cut back on needed expenses, whereas 5% to someone with a $200,000 income would not prevent them from paying the mortgage and buying food.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Can't do that the states don't have the money and can't run a deficit like the feds.
    The states would have to increase taxes to pay for entitlements. They would have to plan for those costs in their budgets, since they can't run a deficit. Entitlements shouldn't be paid for with a deficit anyway. Only emergencies should result in deficit spending.

    States could decide which entitlements they want to continue paying for.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    "Rising inequality isn't new. The gap between rich and poor started growing before Ronald Reagan took office, and it continued to widen through the Clinton years. But what is happening under Bush is something entirely unprecedented: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth — and they know it."

    Paul Krugman on the Great Wealth Transfer : Rolling Stone

    That is why the public kicked out the bums in 2006 and 2008 and elected representatives that promised to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.

    So laugh on funny boys! Carry on with your pipe dream of a regressive tax to make the corporate millionaires even more wealthy.

    The American public is not going to be terribly sympathetic to those that received billions in bailouts with our tax dollars with their (and your) desires for less taxes on the record profits we enabled.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The states would have to increase taxes to pay for entitlements. They would have to plan for those costs in their budgets, since they can't run a deficit. Entitlements shouldn't be paid for with a deficit anyway. Only emergencies should result in deficit spending.

    States could decide which entitlements they want to continue paying for.
    What are they going to tax. People are already leaving New york and California because they are over taxed. You need to think before posting.

    Do you really think the dems in congress will release that power?

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Rising inequality isn't new. The gap between rich and poor started growing before Ronald Reagan took office, and it continued to widen through the Clinton years. But what is happening under Bush is something entirely unprecedented: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth and they know it."

    Paul Krugman on the Great Wealth Transfer : Rolling Stone

    That is why the public kicked out the bums in 2006 and 2008 and elected representatives that promised to eliminate the Bush tax cuts.

    So laugh on funny boys! Carry on with your pipe dream of a regressive tax to make the corporate millionaires even more wealthy.

    The American public is not going to be terribly sympathetic to those that received billions in bailouts with our tax dollars with their (and your) desires for less taxes on the record profits we enabled.
    Nice dodge on what I posted.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    What are they going to tax. People are already leaving New york and California because they are over taxed. You need to think before posting.

    Do you really think the dems in congress will release that power?
    There would have to be a period of transition. The fed will have to give money to the states for awhile, 100%X for a couple of years, then 80%X for a couple then 60%X, 40%X, 20%X then 0. Meanwhile, the fed will decrease the tax rate while the states increase their tax rate. That New York and Cali are overtaxed is their problem. They need to sort it out.

    Oh yeah...bite me.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    There would have to be a period of transition. The fed will have to give money to the states for awhile, 100%X for a couple of years, then 80%X for a couple then 60%X, 40%X, 20%X then 0. Meanwhile, the fed will decrease the tax rate while the states increase their tax rate. That New York and Cali are overtaxed is their problem. They need to sort it out.

    Oh yeah...bite me.
    How do you propose to get congress to give up their power to say nothing of the control freak president.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Nice dodge on what I posted.
    Same to you my friend! The progressive tax system in this country has endured through 96 years, good times and bad, under both Democratic and Republican control.

    Thinking the American public that has recently suffered under the widest gap in incomes between the rich and the lower classes since the Great Depression, I consider the push now to make our system even more regressive and favorable for the rich to be a non-starter.

    In that regard, who are the National politicians that are proposing a consumption tax????
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How do you propose to get congress to give up their power to say nothing of the control freak president.
    The only way would be if there was a popular mandate.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Same to you my friend! The progressive tax system in this country has endured through 96 years, good times and bad, under both Democratic and Republican control.

    Thinking the American public that has recently suffered under the widest gap in incomes between the rich and the lower classes since the Great Depression, I consider the push now to make our system even more regressive and favorable for the rich to be a non-starter.

    In that regard, who are the National politicians that are proposing a consumption tax????
    From my posts you can of course tell I agree.

    As I said, the 'proof of the pudding' even before the recession went into full bloom was the govt stimulous checks. Wholeheartedly approved by Both parties and well needed.

    The fact is, it was (and still is) So bad, even the GOP realized they had to give out some moola because the little guy didn't even have enough money to spend on Cars/Computers/etc that it was hurting the Big guys stocks!

    And now they want to Sales or Flat tax the small guy even more with these Schemes!!!

    You'll note all these tax "simplifications" are TOP Down.

    The rich benefit far more- and not just becase the pay more- but because they ant to shift the burden Down.
    It's not only Unfair (Fair is irrelevant if you're trying to get blood from a stone).. but IMPOSSIBLE.

    How about a "Tax simplification" with NO taxes for anyone under 30k, eliminating Tens of Millions of returns and small potates receipts?

    Good idea but you can't get Lobbyists to work for the under 30k crowd and the have no money to bribe the 97 senators who are Millionaires with.

    The Biggest Dupes being Low income 'conservatives' who are really just doing their rich masters dirty work in the name of 'principal', but suffering just as bad as the 'welfare crowd' they think they're choking.
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