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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

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  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post

    Bush was in office from 1980-2007? Interesting.
    Guess who became president in 1980, and what he did? Can you say Reagan and his drastic tax cuts for the rich? Bush continued with further tax cuts for the rich.

    "From 2003 to 2005, the average household income of the top 1 percent grew at a much faster rate than the the four lowest quintiles."

    "Few economists would dispute that US society is becoming increasingly unequal. National income is being redistributed away from the majority earning the least to the privileged owners and controllers of capital. Legislative policies authored by and for the super-rich have, over the last 25 years, led to the systematic transfer of tax burden off the richest 5% onto working people.

    President Bush makes no bones about whose interests he represents, hence his statement at a dinner fundraiser of the rich and wealthy… ‘"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people call you the elites; I call you my base."
    It’s growing: the gap between rich and poor
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And again, the top 20% pays more than 80% of all federal income taxes. Also, why don't you go back and reread what you just wrote. How exactly has the disparity grown under Bush if it went from 83% in 1998 to just over 80% in 2003?
    We all know it's obviously pointless to attribute a change like that entirely to the current president, but given that liberals have pointed to stats like that for so long, I can't wait to see how they'll react when it turns out the disparity has grown tremendously under saviour Obama- after all, he took over the presidency one month before a huge bottom in stock prices, and that is really what impacts the difference more than anything.

    Not that he didn't try as hard as he could to keep stock prices down, though.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Guess who became president in 1980, and what he did? Can you say Reagan and his drastic tax cuts for the rich? Bush continued with further tax cuts for the rich.

    "From 2003 to 2005, the average household income of the top 1 percent grew at a much faster rate than the the four lowest quintiles."

    "Few economists would dispute that US society is becoming increasingly unequal. National income is being redistributed away from the majority earning the least to the privileged owners and controllers of capital. Legislative policies authored by and for the super-rich have, over the last 25 years, led to the systematic transfer of tax burden off the richest 5% onto working people.
    A tax cut for the rich is not the same thing as a tax increase on the poor.

    EDIT: It's kind of interesting how you continue to even say such things when pretty much everything you've said so far has been thoroughly discredited, and when you have completely ignored most of this discrediting.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    The gap may be growing, but the poor have more in this country than the middle class do in other countries. Here, the poor have flat screen TVs, playstations and XBoxes, $100 shoes, computers, cell phones, etc. When the gap is growing, yet the level of poverty includes those amenities, we don't have poor as they have in other countries. Combined with assistance programs, the poor are well off in this country and arguments that taxation favors the rich is not at the detriment of the poor.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    the idea of a flat tax seems ok, but i think percentages should change based on income.
    That is the funniest thing I have read in a loooooooonnnnngggggg while.

    I also think there should be direct democratic control over where our taxes goto
    You think every spending bill should be voted on by the dumbmasses? Now there is a novel idea (stupid, but novel).

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by EmpiricalTruth View Post
    I also think there should be direct democratic control over where our taxes goto
    Isn't that what California has been doing? Look where it got them...

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    That is the funniest thing I have read in a loooooooonnnnngggggg while.
    I can't tell if it was a joke or not.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Well the ignorance of someone claiming to like the flat tax except that they want to make it progressive is fairly amusing...

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Some seem to forget, or choose to ignore, that our forefathers instituted the progressive tax 96 years ago for the same reason we continue to use it today, to prevent the concentration of wealth among just a few at the expense of the many.

    "In the late 1800's and early 1900's there was a group of super wealthy American capitalist known as the Robber Barons. Our elected leaders realized that if they did not pass some major legislation the Robber Barons would eventually own every inch of land in America and our founding fathers vision of an egalitarian democratic republic would be destroyed, and our Constitution would be worthless. So in 1913 they passed the sixteenth amendment to the Constitution and a highly progressive tax system."
    History Of America's Highly Progressive Tax System

    I also wonder why people that are not millionaires defend the robber barens of today we have given tax money to in the form of bailouts and then want to cut their taxes further through a flat tax or one its variants? It makes absolutely no sense to me.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by gopman View Post
    I can't tell if it was a joke or not.
    Considering the second part of the that post, I don't think it was intended to be a joke.

    I think it could probably be blamed on the government schools in the USA.

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