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  • Income tax - no changes in the status quo

    39 19.80%
  • Flat tax - Everyone pays the same %

    67 34.01%
  • National sales tax - don't spend, you don't pay taxes

    47 23.86%
  • No tax - Unconstitutional - rely on private donations

    10 5.08%
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    21 10.66%
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Thread: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I scanned through them enough to determine there is nothing that has successfully challenged the interpretation by the courts that has not been successfully challenged in 70 years.



    Well that hasn't been done in the last 70 years........ even though most of those 70 years the Republicans were in control of congress, so I'm not sure who you think will change it.
    Ummm, I think you need to brush up on your math skills and your history if you think the Republicans were in control of congress for most of the last 70 years.

    Were they during FDR's administration? No.
    Were they during Truman's adminsitration? No.
    Were they during Eisenhower's administration? No.
    Were they during JFK's administration? No.
    Were they during Johnson's administration? No.
    Were they during Nixon's administration? No.
    Were they during Ford's administration? No.
    Were they during Carter's administration? No.
    Were they during Reagan's administration? No
    Were they during George H W Bush's administration? No.
    Were they during Clinton's administration? Yes, six of the eight years.
    Were they during George W. Bush's administration. Yes, six of the eight years.
    Were they during Obama's administration? No.

    So I count 12 years out of the last 70 or so that the GOP has been in charge of Congress. (There was a period during the Reagan administration when he did have a slight GOP edge in the Senate.)

    But never say never when you have an electorate as angry as the one we have now. I hope they can hold on to their passion until the next elections so that we can begin to begin to reverse some of the damage that has been done over the last four administrations.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    So I count 12 years out of the last 70 or so that the GOP has been in charge of Congress. (There was a period during the Reagan administration when he did have a slight GOP edge in the Senate.)
    That was a guess I made based on our history of a majority of Republican presidents. It makes no difference to the fact that Republicans have also not ended Social Security or Medicare when they were in control.

    But never say never when you have an electorate as angry as the one we have now. I hope they can hold on to their passion until the next elections so that we can begin to begin to reverse some of the damage that has been done over the last four administrations.
    Which Republican do you think will make the stand to do away with Social Security and Medicare. I must be out of the loop. I have heard none of the potential candidates take this position.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    You didn't even read the two documents I linked, did you. And you probably haven't read any of the Federalist papers or any of the other many many documents the Founders left behind to inform us of what was intended by the language of the Constitution.

    They did not intend for it to be subject to different interpretation by anybody.

    And judges who do not respect the Constitution will probably come to respect the legions pretty quickly if we are able to throw lot of self-serving bums out of Washington DC and replace them with men and women who love this country and the principles it was founded on, who respect the letter and intent of the Constitution, and who will see to it that judges who also do replace those who don't.
    God damn. That is some good stuff.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    the idea of a flat tax seems ok, but i think percentages should change based on income.
    I also think there should be direct democratic control over where our taxes goto

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Flat tax benefits only the rich... it is also promoted by the rich and the uneducated.

    Consumption tax only punishes the poor and benefits only the rich.

    Only thing that is fair for society (not the individual) is a progressive tax systems without too many deductions.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    But if you include affordable healthcare as appropriate for the general welfare, why not affordable housing, affordable food, affordable transportation, affordable clothing/heating/cooling all of which are more critical to life than is most healthcare?
    Actually, we already provide affordable transportation in the form of public roads and public transportation, and we provide affordable food in the form of food stamps and subsidies. I also advocate the government providing affordable housing by giving housing companies an incentive to construct smaller homes affordable to lower-income wage earners.

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    The Founders definition of the general welfare was that which benefitted all of society equally from the poorest to the richest. The Founders, to a man, believed it dishonest to confiscate one person's property who legally acquired it and give it to somebody else who had not earned it. The right to one's own labor, property, and self determination, so long as the rights of others were not infringed, was the pure definition of what they meant by life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
    And yet they allowed for racial slavery, which shows how hypocritical the Founding Fathers, or at least the myth of them, can be.

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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    I find it intresting that several of those who voted for no change to the current system of income tax are from the party of change as opposed to the party of the status quo. It seems that conservatives are more intrested in seeing a changed to the current system. Does that mean that in this instance conservatives are about change?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    I find it intresting that several of those who voted for no change to the current system of income tax are from the party of change as opposed to the party of the status quo. It seems that conservatives are more intrested in seeing a changed to the current system. Does that mean that in this instance conservatives are about change?
    Perhaps, but there's a difference between progressive change and regressive change, a difference between positive change and negative change. Which forms of taxation would be positive or negative is what this debate is about.

    EDIT: As an example: Going back to a system of racial slavery for the economic benefit of a different race would be a change from how things are now. However, it would be regressive change and have a negative impact on those made slaves.
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Flat tax benefits only the rich... it is also promoted by the rich and the uneducated.

    Consumption tax only punishes the poor and benefits only the rich.

    Only thing that is fair for society (not the individual) is a progressive tax systems without too many deductions.
    How much makes you poor?
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    Re: Income tax; Flat tax; National Sales tax; No tax

    National sales tax
    In conjuction with lowered Income tax, and tarrifs.


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