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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I am just finishing up our 2009 taxes. We are by no means wealthy or even really 'well off' people, but the combined taxes paid to Federal, State, County, and local governments in 2009 totaled just under 50% of our gross income before ANY deductions or expenses. And that doesn't even count the taxes built into the costs to us for products and services that we paid for during the year.
    Ok, and? Do you feel you get what you pay for?

    But if you agree with them, then they must not be all that radical or out of the mainstream, yes?
    That's the whole point. They AREN'T radical and AREN'T out of the mainstream. You dont get bonus points for showing up at a protest with a "WE AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE" sign.

    I have no clue what you meant by this. I responded to your criticism of them calling themselves a Tea Party along with your rather snooty evaluation that they must not be much if they don't have identifiable leaders or a printed platform or something to that effect.
    You said the original tea party had no real leaders but somehow did something meaningful (even though it really didnt) and my point is that the teabaggers are not a movement I take seriously in part because they have no leadership and very rarely is a mob ever the best means for effecting any real change.

    Yep. Because I have been heavily involved with the Tea Party movement
    I'm sorry

    and have listened to what the people are saying which you apparently have not.
    Which version am I supposed to listen to? We had some of these teabagger idiots in my hometown and I **** you not, walking past them, this was a selection of what I heard.

    "NO MORE TAXES"
    "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM"
    "NO SOCIALISM"
    "NO GOVERNMENT BUT OUR OWN"
    "NO CHINA" (I REALLY didnt get that one)
    "STOP SPENDING OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE"

    And various permutations thereof. That says this is a movement of people who are pissed about losing an election and now they're throwing any temper tantrum they can to get TV time. Half the time the teabaggers dont make any sense at all "No government but our own" what the hell does that even mean?

    And there is this which I think should be required reading in every highschool and university in America: In Search of Self-Governance - Rasmussen Reports
    Why?

    If you are a Socialist you by definition believe in big government and consent to intrusiveness that anti-Socialists would not consent.
    No, no I really dont. I realize this is part of the Conservative mindset is to want to pigeon-hole everyone but I assure you being a Socialist in no way necessitates a support of big government. I'd encourage you to read some Socialist literature so you'd get a chance to see what we actually believe but I somehow doubt you'd take me up on that.

    In my opinion, you criticize the Tea Partiers and use perjorative terms to describe them
    I use the terms that they used on themselves. Just because NOW they figure out their name had another meaning BEFORE they got to it is not my problem.

    because you are a) ignorant about what they are all about
    How the hell can I know what they're all about when they have no consistent or coherent message other than "ANGRY MOB IS ANGRY!"

    b) you are opposed to everything they stand for.
    Again, how can I know what they stand for when part of them are ranting about Muslims, part of them want no taxes at all, and the rest I cant figure out what they're there for because they dont make any sense.

    If you had a clue about the people involved in those gatherings, you would not be describing them as childish.
    No I suspect "pedantic" and "clueless" would come in somewhere.
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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Heh. He sent me a lovely PM overflowing with spittle-flecked invective.

    I'm pretty sure the guy's crushing on me.
    What did it say?


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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Simple, if one political ideology is brainwashed the the other must be as well to counter it. The rest of us are in the middle and slightly more cynical and slightly less manipulated or on the edges creating the kool-aid and selling the **** door to door.

    The only way to counteract this is to blow the whole ****ing thing up and go back to "every man for himself" anarchy where we're beating the hell out of each other with clubs OR, become a hermit and live a solitary life with Wilson.

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    What did it say?
    I'm pretty sure it's not kosher to post PMs.

    Suffice it to say that it was quite similar to this post. In fact, it appears that K-1 thinks I'm a mod, as pretty much the whole thing (the part that wasn't outraged attacks/insults, that is) was about me being a big bully because I have my finger on the ban button.

    Or maybe he meant to send it to Captain Courtesy and mixed the two of us up.

    Either way, the guy's waaay out there where the buses don't run.

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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Ok, and? Do you feel you get what you pay for?

    That's the whole point. They AREN'T radical and AREN'T out of the mainstream. You dont get bonus points for showing up at a protest with a "WE AGREE WITH EVERYBODY ELSE" sign.

    You said the original tea party had no real leaders but somehow did something meaningful (even though it really didnt) and my point is that the teabaggers are not a movement I take seriously in part because they have no leadership and very rarely is a mob ever the best means for effecting any real change.

    I'm sorry

    Which version am I supposed to listen to? We had some of these teabagger idiots in my hometown and I **** you not, walking past them, this was a selection of what I heard.

    "NO MORE TAXES"
    "OBAMA IS A MUSLIM"
    "NO SOCIALISM"
    "NO GOVERNMENT BUT OUR OWN"
    "NO CHINA" (I REALLY didnt get that one)
    "STOP SPENDING OUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE"

    And various permutations thereof. That says this is a movement of people who are pissed about losing an election and now they're throwing any temper tantrum they can to get TV time. Half the time the teabaggers dont make any sense at all "No government but our own" what the hell does that even mean?

    Why?

    No, no I really dont. I realize this is part of the Conservative mindset is to want to pigeon-hole everyone but I assure you being a Socialist in no way necessitates a support of big government. I'd encourage you to read some Socialist literature so you'd get a chance to see what we actually believe but I somehow doubt you'd take me up on that.

    I use the terms that they used on themselves. Just because NOW they figure out their name had another meaning BEFORE they got to it is not my problem.


    How the hell can I know what they're all about when they have no consistent or coherent message other than "ANGRY MOB IS ANGRY!"

    Again, how can I know what they stand for when part of them are ranting about Muslims, part of them want no taxes at all, and the rest I cant figure out what they're there for because they dont make any sense.

    No I suspect "pedantic" and "clueless" would come in somewhere.
    Well, 'pedantic' and 'clueless' certainly describes those who have no idea what the Tea Partiers stand for or why they do what they do, but uses perjorative terms to define them and utterly ignorant characterizations to define them even as he misquotes their message while denying they have one.

    Every movement, including those that I'm sure you think are hunky dory, will have a nut or two mixed in with the mainstream stuff. Honest people acknowledge that whether or not they agree with the message of the group. Dishonest people look for the nuts and hold them up as examples of the whole. Possibly very misinformed people who have no interest in any other point of view fall into that category too. They aren't dishonest. Just brainwashed and like staying that way.

    I'll leave it to you to decide if you fit in there somewhere.
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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    In fact, it appears that K-1 thinks I'm a mod, as pretty much the whole thing (the part that wasn't outraged attacks/insults, that is) was about me being a big bully because I have my finger on the ban button.

    Or maybe he meant to send it to Captain Courtesy and mixed the two of us up.

    Either way, the guy's waaay out there where the buses don't run.
    Exactly, he was probably way to focused on calling someone out that he didn't think straight.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The only way to counteract this is to blow the whole ****ing thing up and go back to "every man for himself" anarchy where we're beating the hell out of each other with clubs OR, become a hermit and live a solitary life with Wilson.
    Seems like where we are headed if the teabaggers get their way.


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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Brainwashed is the PC take, but I see it more as conditioned belief learned from our parents, sibs, teachers, roll models, and peers, especially peers and roll models because peer pressure is still with us every day, and most still believe the words of their roll models no matter how far out.

    True brainwashing was what happened to the soldiers in the movie The Manchurian Candidate, most certainly the Jim Jones group, Heaven's gate, and possibly the two kids at Columbine.

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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    Seems like where we are headed if the teabaggers get their way.
    We'll all be better off that way then.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    We'll all be better off that way then.
    Considering the status quo, yes you're right.


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    Re: Are Americans Brainwashed?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Well, 'pedantic' and 'clueless' certainly describes those who have no idea what the Tea Partiers stand for or why they do what they do, but uses perjorative terms to define them and utterly ignorant characterizations to define them even as he misquotes their message while denying they have one.
    My whole point is that it's virtually impossible to discern a real message and that that's a problem. All I can really do is guess at what their message is based on what I see.

    Every movement, including those that I'm sure you think are hunky dory, will have a nut or two mixed in with the mainstream stuff.
    "Or two"? The entire movement seems like a bowl of mixed nuts.

    Honest people acknowledge that whether or not they agree with the message of the group. Dishonest people look for the nuts and hold them up as examples of the whole. Possibly very misinformed people who have no interest in any other point of view fall into that category too. They aren't dishonest. Just brainwashed and like staying that way.
    I DO acknowledge that in any group there are idiots. My problem is I cant see any clear-cut examples of the rational people and the one's that are rational often have no idea what they're talking about.
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