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  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

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  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

    4 6.90%
  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

    23 39.66%
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    Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?


    1,Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.
    Regardless if it someone like Hitler, child molester or serial killer or someone else that there is a general consensus on that is a scumbag.

    2.Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.
    An example of someone everyone would generally agree was a despicable person would be like a mass murdering dictator,terrorist, serial killer, child rapist and etc.


    3.Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable. An example of someone you think is despicable could be a politician, political commentator/pundit, political activist or someone who has wronged you in the past and this would also include those whom everybody generally agrees was despicable.

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    I pick option 3.If you found that person to be so despicable why hold back just because they are in the hospital or just died? Does their injury or the fact they died somehow erase all the **** that person did that made you view that person as a scumbag? For example the only bad thing about Hitler killing himself is that we did not get a change to hang him ourselves.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    It depends on what you are saying and who is on the receiving end.

    If a man dies and you are telling his wife what a scumbag he was when she actually loved him, then you deserve a slap.

    If you are telling someone completely unconnected to the person what you think about them, it's still affecting the person you're telling (because they have to be on the receiving end of your negativity), but at least it's not the double whammy of them actually caring about the one who died.

    Me, I try not to speak ill of anyone. Gossip rots the mind.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It depends on what you are saying and who is on the receiving end.

    If a man dies and you are telling his wife what a scumbag he was when she actually loved him, then you deserve a slap.
    If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be socially acceptable able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?
    Should/shouldn't be able to say is a freedom of speech thing. You should be able to say it. Should you not have to suffer a slap or a comeback for it though? That's another issue.

    I honestly don't care what you do, I just think it would be creating a bitterness inside yourself that you'd be better off releasing. Holding a grudge against those people in society isn't going to change who they are or what they did. It's bile you're holding onto and it has zero effect on the situation.

    Anyway, like I said, your choice. From the OP I imagined a more interpersonal situation, not something dealing with criminals.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    It is not for the sake of the ill or the departed that deference and respect is due. It is for the sake of others who may care for that person, regardless of whether or not the ill/deceased was a despicable person or not.

    Some things are better left unspoken, especially when an inopportune expression of this hatred could be an offense to someone who although close to the person in question, is not deserving, nor justified in being hurt more than they already are.

    whether there is a perception of this hatred being warranted or not, sharing it among others at a vulnerable time may cause collateral damage.

    It is disrespectful, period.

    edit: I did vote other, but that is because we have people close to us (family, spouses, close friends, ect) that are appropriate for sharing these things with, it is not good to keep bottled up. but regardless, respect is the guiding principle here
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    I wouldn't necessarily speak ill of someone who has died unless they took other people's lives, like Hitler. If someone dies (or is still alive) who has a different political ideology then myself, I would speak out against the message... But I would never speak ill of the person.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Is it OK? Best answer I can give is depends on who you are. There is no definitive answer to this question. If your question is "Would YOU speak ill of these folks" that is different altogether.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Everyone will eventually get sick and everyone will eventually die. I think there is a period of time when it's best to respect their vulnerability, even if they are driving the medical personnel and others who are caring for them crazy with their inessential demands and unquenchable needs, and are an essentially obnoxious and irascible individual.

    When they die, they should also get a period of grace where everyone pretends they were the model citizen, Rotarian, husband and father, but only for a period of time, say 6 months to a year, then the gloves are off.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be socially acceptable able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?
    Imagine someone walking up to your widow and saying that to her while they're lowering you into the ground. No matter who you are and how much good you've done for the world, if you are an important person there are thousands of people-- at least-- who hate you and everything you stand for.

    What kind of respect do you want your loved ones to receive when it's your turn?

    No good comes from speaking ill of the dead. It does not undo what they did with their lives, or change the policies they espoused. It does not comfort the living. It is nothing more than reveling in another's pain when the person who earned your scorn is beyond suffering. It is wantonly cruel, and worse, it is crass.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Son of a gun I voted wrong!

    I think they are dead and don't care. Say what you want.

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