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Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

    Votes: 10 19.6%

  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

    Votes: 3 5.9%

  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

    Votes: 18 35.3%

  • other

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • Total voters
    51
Cardinal said:
Alright, so basically we can conclude that some people deserve to be spoken ill of.
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:roll:

Do you think you've reached the end of a Socratic beat-down here? I said there were exceptions several posts ago.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Are you required to not say mean (truthful) things simply because he/she died? Sorry. That's a stupid tradition.
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I'd say it serves no purpose other than vindictiveness. I explained above.
 
Harshaw said:
:roll:

Do you think you've reached the end of a Socratic beat-down here? I said there were exceptions several posts ago.
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I just don't understand why that was so difficult. Besides, my main issue is with the people who specifically stated that it's never okay to speak ill of the dead.
 
Cardinal said:
I just don't understand why that was so difficult.
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Why what was so difficult? I stated a general principle; you went straight for the nuclear option and said "what about Hitler?" -- and then I immediately granted there exceptions. Yeah, that was rough.


Besides, my main issue is with the people who specifically stated that it's never okay to speak ill of the dead.
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Yeah? I never said that.
 
Harshaw said:
Yeah? I never said that.
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Well, you did, sort of. The totality of one of your posts (your first in this thread that I'm aware of) was

"I think the whole thought is that it's tasteless, and even cowardly, to bash someone who can't be there to defend himself/herself."

It was broad enough that I feel I was justified in asking for clarification.
 
Cardinal said:
Well, you did, sort of. The totality of one of your posts (your first in this thread that I'm aware of) was

"I think the whole thought is that it's tasteless, and even cowardly, to bash someone who can't be there to defend himself/herself."

It was broad enough that I feel I was justified in asking for clarification.
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I'm sorry that you read it as something ironclad, but it's certainly not written that way.
 
jamesrage said:
Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?


1,Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.Regardless if it someone like Hitler, child molester or serial killer or someone else that there is a general consensus on that is a scumbag.

2.Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.
An example of someone everyone would generally agree was a despicable person would be like a mass murdering dictator,terrorist, serial killer, child rapist and etc.


3.Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable. An example of someone you think is despicable could be a politician, political commentator/pundit, political activist or someone who has wronged you in the past and this would also include those whom everybody generally agrees was despicable.

4.other.


I pick option 3.If you found that person to be so despicable why hold back just because they are in the hospital or just died? Does their injury or the fact they died somehow erase all the **** that person did that made you view that person as a scumbag? For example the only bad thing about Hitler killing himself is that we did not get a change to hang him ourselves.
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You can't add one iota to your stature by speaking ill of the dead regardless of how bad they were. It's just an opportunity to display resentment and a holier-than-thou attitude, neither of which are noble sentiments.
 
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Cardinal said:
I understand, but what's the line between bashing and stating historical fact about the person? When I state that Hitler caused one of the greatest incidences of suffering in the twentieth century, am I being historically accurate or am I bashing him?
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It depends on if you are a nazi or not.:roll:
 
DeeJayH said:
doesn't the fact that DP had to add an RIP prefix for thread titles answer the question?
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Its because of the fact people get their panties in a bunch when someone is speaking bad about someone they like or admire. Whaa! my ***** hurts because someone said something mean about Ted Kennedy or whaa! my panties are in a bunch because someone said something mean about Rush Limbaugh, please mods stop those means peoples from saying bad things about my heroes. That RIP function can be used for a terrorist, child molester some other scumbag so it is a double edge sword.
 
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jamesrage said:
Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?


1,Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.Regardless if it someone like Hitler, child molester or serial killer or someone else that there is a general consensus on that is a scumbag.

2.Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.
An example of someone everyone would generally agree was a despicable person would be like a mass murdering dictator,terrorist, serial killer, child rapist and etc.


3.Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable. An example of someone you think is despicable could be a politician, political commentator/pundit, political activist or someone who has wronged you in the past and this would also include those whom everybody generally agrees was despicable.

4.other.


I pick option 3.If you found that person to be so despicable why hold back just because they are in the hospital or just died? Does their injury or the fact they died somehow erase all the **** that person did that made you view that person as a scumbag? For example the only bad thing about Hitler killing himself is that we did not get a change to hang him ourselves.
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I think all things are permissible. However, being permissible and being a respectable thing to do are not mutually inclusive.

We live in a free country and people are free to say whatever they like. But I am also free to look at their speech as evidence of their being a classless degenerate with a poor upbringing. :shrug:
 
LaMidRighter said:
That's a good part of it. It shows no courage to speak ill of those who are sick, injured, or dead because they cannot fight back, whereas if you said it while they could, you might get embarrased or punched in the face. The other part is that you naturally get the last word in, especially when one dies, they cannot have an opportunity at rebuttle, so it's kind of an injustice as well.
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If that person is a celebrity or politician then what you say is not ever going to reach them even if that person is alive. So the "It shows no courage to speak ill of those who are sick, injured, or dead because they cannot fight back" is a load of crap.Its not about a lack of courage or getting the last word in, its because that person that died or is hospitalized is a piece **** that is why people talk bad about them and why people say good riddance to human garbage when that piece of **** dies. Its because they want that person to be gone.
 
jallman said:
I think all things are permissible. However, being permissible and being a respectable thing to do are not mutually inclusive.

We live in a free country and people are free to say whatever they like. But I am also free to look at their speech as evidence of their being a classless degenerate with a poor upbringing. :shrug:
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You wouldn't be saying good riddance to human garbage if Fred Phelps just croaked?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Some dead horses deserve to be beaten. Speaking ill of the dead serves to encourage other people to live better lives that they may be spoken of more pleasantly when they are departed. Think of the recently deceased as an object lesson.
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I get ya. So the pain of being talked badly about, once one is dead, will make a person show some Class, while they are living. Like the fear of hell is supposed to do. I get it, I think. Punishment, even after we are deceased. Sounds about like 2010.
 
Skateguy said:
I get ya. So the pain of being talked badly about, once one is dead, will make a person show some Class, while they are living. Like the fear of hell is supposed to do. I get it, I think. Punishment, even after we are deceased. Sounds about like 2010.
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Those pathetic losers who shoot up schools care if someone talks about them.
 
jamesrage said:
If that person is a celebrity or politician then what you say is not ever going to reach them even if that person is alive. So the "It shows no courage to speak ill of those who are sick, injured, or dead because they cannot fight back" is a load of crap.Its not about a lack of courage or getting the last word in, its because that person that died or is hospitalized is a piece **** that is why people talk bad about them and why people say good riddance to human garbage when that piece of **** dies. Its because they want that person to be gone.
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So, if the words aren't going to reach the person either way......then why attack said person to people who may happen to like them? As that would be equally pointless.
 
jamesrage said:
You wouldn't be saying good riddance to human garbage if Fred Phelps just croaked?
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You wouldn't find me crooning my satisfaction publicly. You wouldn't find me celebrating his death with anything more than reverent decorum.

Besides, if I have any displeasure with someone, I pretty much get it all out in the open while they are still alive. There isn't too much to say once they die that I haven't already said.
 
"“No matter where you watch television today – even if you turn on FOX – you are going to get the syrupy – everything they say is going to be predictable: let’s put aside our differences for today and respect the great work and achievements of Sen. Kennedy. I am going to vomit and puke all over everyone with this analysis today.”

-Rush Limbaugh
 
LaMidRighter said:
So, if the words aren't going to reach the person either way......then why attack said person to people who may happen to like them?
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Basically to voice my opinion of what a piece of **** that person is.Its no different than someone voicing their opinion on how they think someone is a saint.

As that would be equally pointless.
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It could be argued that going to political forums to debate topics is pointless since you don't really change minds. But people do it anyways because they get some sort of satisfaction with sharing or voicing opinions on various issues.
 
It's perfectly okay to speak ill of the dead, disabled, dying, or departed from the room, if you don't like them.

Frankly, it doesn't make a lot of sense to speak ill of them if you do like them.

It's even okay to speak ill of them if they're right in front of you, but in that case it's probably best if you're bigger than they are.

This is what everyone should sing when Robert KKK Byrd finally dies (soon enough is way too late for me):

Thank you very much!
Thank you very much!
That's the nicest thing that anyone's ever done for me
I may sound Double-Dutch
But my delight is such
I feel as if a losing war's been won for me
And if I had a flag I'd hang my flag out
To add a sort of final victory touch
But since I left my flag at home
I'll simply have to say
Thank you very, very, very much!


(Scrooge, 1970)
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Scarecrow Akhbar said:
It's even okay to speak ill of them if they're right in front of you, but in that case it's probably best if you're bigger than they are.
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I don't know if I'm bigger than you, but I speak ill of you.
 
misterman said:
"“No matter where you watch television today – even if you turn on FOX – you are going to get the syrupy – everything they say is going to be predictable: let’s put aside our differences for today and respect the great work and achievements of Sen. Kennedy. I am going to vomit and puke all over everyone with this analysis today.”

-Rush Limbaugh
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Sweet irony! :rofl
 
misterman said:
"“No matter where you watch television today – even if you turn on FOX – you are going to get the syrupy – everything they say is going to be predictable: let’s put aside our differences for today and respect the great work and achievements of Sen. Kennedy. I am going to vomit and puke all over everyone with this analysis today.”

-Rush Limbaugh
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Limbaugh Calls Democrats Health Care Plan an "Insult" to Kennedy's Memory - Political Punch
And here's the context:
"The Left is exploiting him – his death and his legacy – and they are going to do it, as predicted, to push health care through," Limbaugh said.
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Limbaugh said he was cracking up this morning on the mainstream media's coverage of Kennedy's passing and said that his listeners are frustrated over the "slobbering" media.
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And of course, Rush said some nice things as well:
"Ted Kennedy's passing is a powerful reminder of the respect and dignity of the intensely personal will to live that we all possess," Limbaugh said.
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I was just surprised that ABC was where I found the real gist of what that show was about.
 
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