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Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

    Votes: 10 19.6%

  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

    Votes: 3 5.9%

  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

    Votes: 18 35.3%

  • other

    Votes: 20 39.2%
  • Total voters
    51
I feel with death does not come respect. Did you earn my respect while living? If not? I am free to diss you fresh in your grave if I think you were a frigging asshole while living.

I am not sure why people think death or even age earns you some strange kind of "respect" .. This whole thing about respect your elders and do not speak ill of the dead is just lame. WHY NOT speak ill of someone if they were jerks!
 
Orius said:
Gossip rots the mind.
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Which may be what is wrong with our society right now. Have you noticed that a lot of news is nothing but gossip? People live for gossip.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
When they die, they should also get a period of grace where everyone pretends they were the model citizen, Rotarian, husband and father, but only for a period of time, say 6 months to a year, then the gloves are off.
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WHY? Why pretend they were something they were not? Just because you are dead we are suppose to coddle you and LIE about what you were in life? How crazy is this? It is not like they can hear it or care. Sure we should not be dissing them in front of loved ones but why pretend that someone was something that they were not? Also there is a way to say someone was an asshole in life and still be respectful. It is called tact. There is no way in hell I would ever stand up and speak good things about someone who was a jerk simply because they are dead. This includes family.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
No good comes from speaking ill of the dead. It does not undo what they did with their lives, or change the policies they espoused. It does not comfort the living. It is nothing more than reveling in another's pain when the person who earned your scorn is beyond suffering. It is wantonly cruel, and worse, it is crass.
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Disagree. I know a woman who was abused her whole married life and when her mean ass husband dropped dead? Guess what she said? Thank God The Son of a Bitch is finally Dead. You know what? Her saying that made her HAPPY. It did her a lot of good being able to say that. Of course his death did her a lot of good in general and everybody-including the kids they had that he had verbally abused their whole lives-knew it!
 
I have known several people, that I resent them dieing, because I can no longer talk bad about them. "May they rest in peace".
 
Skateguy said:
I have known several people, that I resent them dieing, because I can no longer talk bad about them. "May they rest in peace".
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Along with Hitler, right? How the hell can you defend Hitler? :roll:
 
Kali said:
Along with Hitler, right? How the hell can you defend Hitler? :roll:
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Don't get me wrong--Hitler should have been killed by that English guy, before he went out conquering the world. but I'm not a German either. My point is, people we consider evil, don't get up in the morning, have coffee, and kiss the wife and kids goodbye, and say "Dear, I'm off to do evil deeds today". --We judge their acts as evil, after the fact. but their intentions, however twisted they may be, are not perceived by them, as evil. they are wrong in their actions, but don't have evil intent in their minds. They just think they are right in their actions. --we see that as evil.
 
It's perfectly acceptable to say whatever you like, as long as your prepared to receive the consequences.
 
Skateguy said:
I don't use the word evil. Evil is what People call someone that goes against their view of morality. That doesn't do what the masses expect, or demand they do. There have been many Violent Men through out time. Their followers call them Heroes, their enemies call them Evil. The person committing the act, may not consider themselves evil. We start Wars. Every nation starts wars. I'm against all wars, so does that mean everyone who participates in war is Evil? To Kill because God is on your side, and has somehow given his approval for War?? Was dropping the Bomb. Evil?? Or just our way to get even? ---I use my own compass to judge things, --it's just the way I roll. I do, however like to discuss things, just to get another persons take on various topics. but I am comfortable in my beliefs, though often not popular. But hey---can't please everybody, so why try?
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Sorry, Skateguy, but I'm not buying your act. You haven't answered a single one of my questions directly, and the mention of Hitler invoked in you a bout of equivocation that attempted to water down the historical understanding of Hitler's wrongdoing. Your comment that Hitler was "misguided," a Neo-Nazi catchphrase, is on permanent record here, and I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't made. If you'd address this, I'd be happy to retract what is certainly a seemingly very inflammatory statement on my part, but your repeated refusal to answer it makes me suspect that my suspicions may actually hold water.

I don't pretend to understand the game you're playing, but you're definitely not playing a straight hand here.
 
Skateguy said:
Don't get me wrong--Hitler should have been killed by that English guy, before he went out conquering the world. but I'm not a German either.
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Maybe my history is crap, but I don't understand either of these statements.

Skateguy said:
My point is, people we consider evil, don't get up in the morning, have coffee, and kiss the wife and kids goodbye, and say "Dear, I'm off to do evil deeds today". --We judge their acts as evil, after the fact. but their intentions, however twisted they may be, are not perceived by them, as evil. they are wrong in their actions, but don't have evil intent in their minds. They just think they are right in their actions. --we see that as evil.
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So we have to wait for people to claim evil as their motivating force for acts of evil before we're allowed to call them evil? I'm sorry, but that's a pretty shoddy bar for assigning evil -- how many people have you know who've explained away evil beliefs/actions because they're evil. Just about none, which means that you can't use that as the defining standard. It has to be something else.
 
Cardinal said:
Sorry, Skateguy, but I'm not buying your act. You haven't answered a single one of my questions directly, and the mention of Hitler invoked in you a bout of equivocation that attempted to water down the historical understanding of Hitler's wrongdoing. Your comment that Hitler was "misguided," a Neo-Nazi catchphrase, is on permanent record here, and I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't made. If you'd address this, I'd be happy to retract what is certainly a seemingly very inflammatory statement on my part, but your repeated refusal to answer it makes me suspect that my suspicions may actually hold water.

I don't pretend to understand the game you're playing, but you're definitely not playing a straight hand here.
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What would lead you think I was under some obligation to explain my self to you? I have already stated that I thought Hitler should have been killed way before he got his War Machine rolling. As for the term "Evil" I have also spelled out my thoughts on that. You come at me hard, then say you will let up on me, if I jump through barrels for you---well, it ain't happening. I post what I post, and if you get something out of it fine, but I'm not in the habit of chewin my cabbage twice. Now, have a great day, or night, or what ever it is. :mrgreen:
 
only if they resisted health care reform:)
 
Skateguy said:
What would lead you think I was under some obligation to explain my self to you?
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Oooookeydokey, then. You haven't directly answered a single one of my questions, and I can see you have no desire to engage me directly on any point at all.

Happy new year, Skateguy.
 
Cardinal said:
Oooookeydokey, then. You haven't directly answered a single one of my questions, and I can see you have no desire to engage me directly on any point at all.

Happy new year, Skateguy.
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This actually seems to be a reoccurring theme of Skateguy's. It seems that he's here more to push an agenda than to actually debate about subjects.
 
Skateguy said:
Don't get me wrong--Hitler should have been killed by that English guy, before he went out conquering the world. but I'm not a German either. My point is, people we consider evil, don't get up in the morning, have coffee, and kiss the wife and kids goodbye, and say "Dear, I'm off to do evil deeds today". --We judge their acts as evil, after the fact. but their intentions, however twisted they may be, are not perceived by them, as evil. they are wrong in their actions, but don't have evil intent in their minds. They just think they are right in their actions. --we see that as evil.
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Hitler had no evil intent when he wanted a WHITE race? OK. So no scumbag thinks of themself as evil. So! Does not change the fact the are EVIL
 
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I generally try not to speak ill of anyone regardless of living, ill, dieing, or dead, however someone being ill or dead will not keep me from being honest.
 
Kali said:
Hitler had no evil intent when he wanted a WHITE race? OK. So no scumbag thinks of themself as evil. So! Does not change the fact the are EVIL
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No, he did not.....;)
 
You didn't have the option I'd pick, therefore I had to pick other. It's no more wrong to speak ill of someone in the hospital or dead than it is at any other time. Bad people die too, there's no reason to treat them like they're not bad just because they're in dire straits.
 
Re: Is it Kay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

If you discount Hitlers crimes against humanity, and the fact that he hung out with a right load of weired psychopathic nut jobs, his career is similar to that of Charlton Heston when he was chair of the NRA.

Dont get me wrong, I know Charlton did not commit crimes against humanity........ok his wig and acting was pretty borderline, but I think that was the wigs influence:)
 
jamesrage said:
If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be socially acceptable able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?
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It would be pointless. You might as well tell someone the sky is blue or that we have moving machines called "cars." What's the point in rubbing in the obvious to a grieving woman?
 
EgoffTib said:
It would be pointless. You might as well tell someone the sky is blue or that we have moving machines called "cars." What's the point in rubbing in the obvious to a grieving woman?
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Shouldn't it cheer her up to know that everyone else is glad that he died? :mrgreen:
 
I'm very PC, in fact I'm an Equal opportunity insulter.

Dead alive or in between like Rash Impetigo or Dubya, I don't give a ****:)
 
Re: Is it Kay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

B L Zeebub said:
If you discount Hitlers crimes against humanity, and the fact that he hung out with a right load of weired psychopathic nut jobs, his career is similar to that of Charlton Heston when he was chair of the NRA.

Dont get me wrong, I know Charlton did not commit crimes against humanity........ok his wig and acting was pretty borderline, but I think that was the wigs influence:)
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You compare a group that advocates a constitutional right to a bunch of psychopathic nut jobs and Hitler? The low that anti-2nd amendment nuts will stoop to doesn't surprise me.
 
Cardinal said:
Oooookeydokey, then. You haven't directly answered a single one of my questions, and I can see you have no desire to engage me directly on any point at all.

Happy new year, Skateguy.
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And the same back to you and yours.---I debate topics, I don't argue about them. Once I've stated my side of the debate, to the best of my ability, that's all I can do. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. Just stating my views.
 
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