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Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?


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Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?


1,Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.
Regardless if it someone like Hitler, child molester or serial killer or someone else that there is a general consensus on that is a scumbag.

2.Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.
An example of someone everyone would generally agree was a despicable person would be like a mass murdering dictator,terrorist, serial killer, child rapist and etc.


3.Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable. An example of someone you think is despicable could be a politician, political commentator/pundit, political activist or someone who has wronged you in the past and this would also include those whom everybody generally agrees was despicable.

4.other.


I pick option 3.If you found that person to be so despicable why hold back just because they are in the hospital or just died? Does their injury or the fact they died somehow erase all the **** that person did that made you view that person as a scumbag? For example the only bad thing about Hitler killing himself is that we did not get a change to hang him ourselves.
 
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It depends on what you are saying and who is on the receiving end.

If a man dies and you are telling his wife what a scumbag he was when she actually loved him, then you deserve a slap.

If you are telling someone completely unconnected to the person what you think about them, it's still affecting the person you're telling (because they have to be on the receiving end of your negativity), but at least it's not the double whammy of them actually caring about the one who died.

Me, I try not to speak ill of anyone. Gossip rots the mind.
 
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It depends on what you are saying and who is on the receiving end.

If a man dies and you are telling his wife what a scumbag he was when she actually loved him, then you deserve a slap.

If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be socially acceptable able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?
 
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If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?

Should/shouldn't be able to say is a freedom of speech thing. You should be able to say it. Should you not have to suffer a slap or a comeback for it though? That's another issue.

I honestly don't care what you do, I just think it would be creating a bitterness inside yourself that you'd be better off releasing. Holding a grudge against those people in society isn't going to change who they are or what they did. It's bile you're holding onto and it has zero effect on the situation.

Anyway, like I said, your choice. From the OP I imagined a more interpersonal situation, not something dealing with criminals.
 
It is not for the sake of the ill or the departed that deference and respect is due. It is for the sake of others who may care for that person, regardless of whether or not the ill/deceased was a despicable person or not.

Some things are better left unspoken, especially when an inopportune expression of this hatred could be an offense to someone who although close to the person in question, is not deserving, nor justified in being hurt more than they already are.

whether there is a perception of this hatred being warranted or not, sharing it among others at a vulnerable time may cause collateral damage.

It is disrespectful, period.

edit: I did vote other, but that is because we have people close to us (family, spouses, close friends, ect) that are appropriate for sharing these things with, it is not good to keep bottled up. but regardless, respect is the guiding principle here
 
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I wouldn't necessarily speak ill of someone who has died unless they took other people's lives, like Hitler. If someone dies (or is still alive) who has a different political ideology then myself, I would speak out against the message... But I would never speak ill of the person.
 
Is it OK? Best answer I can give is depends on who you are. There is no definitive answer to this question. If your question is "Would YOU speak ill of these folks" that is different altogether.
 
Everyone will eventually get sick and everyone will eventually die. I think there is a period of time when it's best to respect their vulnerability, even if they are driving the medical personnel and others who are caring for them crazy with their inessential demands and unquenchable needs, and are an essentially obnoxious and irascible individual.

When they die, they should also get a period of grace where everyone pretends they were the model citizen, Rotarian, husband and father, but only for a period of time, say 6 months to a year, then the gloves are off.
 
If it was someone like a murderer,rapist, serial killer mass murdering dictator why should you not be socially acceptable able to say "hey your husband was a despicable person"?

Imagine someone walking up to your widow and saying that to her while they're lowering you into the ground. No matter who you are and how much good you've done for the world, if you are an important person there are thousands of people-- at least-- who hate you and everything you stand for.

What kind of respect do you want your loved ones to receive when it's your turn?

No good comes from speaking ill of the dead. It does not undo what they did with their lives, or change the policies they espoused. It does not comfort the living. It is nothing more than reveling in another's pain when the person who earned your scorn is beyond suffering. It is wantonly cruel, and worse, it is crass.
 
Son of a gun I voted wrong!

I think they are dead and don't care. Say what you want.

Zombie Ted Kennedy will come and get you if you speak ill of the Democratic dead!
 
I don't think that being hospitalized or dead gives someone some kind of protected status against being spoken ill of. Say what you will about them.

Celebrating the fact that they're hospitalized or dying is another matter.
 
If it's the truth then I have no problem with it at all. The reality is that some people are truly despicable and neither their death nor their ill health changes that. There is nothing wrong with the truth.
 
I voted for the ominous "other" for the following reason:

It's okay to make fun of someone who is sick or just died provided that you have no respect whatsoever for them or for those who hold that person dear.

After all, "despicable" is a subjective (and somewhat less honest) evaluation which really means what I just said.
 
Zombie Ted Kennedy will come and get you if you speak ill of the Democratic dead!
Congratulations to Ted Kennedy for 90 days without a drink! ;)
 
To Me, it makes no difference it it is right or wrong, I just don't do it. and I don't kick a Man when he is down either. I'm better than that. :mrgreen:
 
To me, I don't like making moral decisions for people. I try not to do it, but that is my personal decision.
 
I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread: everyone here will agree it's okay to speak ill of Hitler, so what bar of evil does someone have to reach before we all agree that's acceptable?
 
I have nothing bad to say about Hitler either. He was a Soldier doing what he felt was right for his people.---I think he was misguided, but what do I know? Gods that other guy, he makes those calls. I just drinks cold beers, and grins.
 
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I have nothing bad to say about Hitler either. He was a Soldier doing what he felt was right for his people.---I think he was misguided, but what do I know?

Well, considering that Hitler is one of the standards by which we judge evil, that would put your position in one of such minority that it makes little to no sense. What you should probably be concerned about is the statement that "Hitler was misguided" is a catchphrase of Neo-Nazis (when they acknowledge that the holocaust happened at all). If you want to stick by that, it's really no skin off my back what some anonymous internet person thinks, but you might want to think on that.

And misguided by who?
 
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Well, considering that Hitler is one of the standards by which we judge evil, that would put your position in one of such minority that it makes little to no sense. What you should probably be concerned about is the statement that "Hitler was misguided" is a catchphrase of Neo-Nazis (when they acknowledge that the holocaust is real at all). Just sayin.

And misguided by who?
difference is there is no "We" for me. I make my own calls. Vlad the impaler is another one.---a guy using extreme measures, to protect his little chunk of earth, from what he perceived as invaders. I got no problem with that. ---I am a Nation of One.
 
difference is there is no "We" for me. I make my own calls. Vlad the impaler is another one.---a guy using extreme measures, to protect his little chunk of earth, from what he perceived as invaders. I got no problem with that. ---I am a Nation of One.

Uh huh, except we don't typically assign the label of "evil" to those using self defense. Are you saying that Germany didn't start the war, or that Hitler was "protecting" himself from the gypsies, Jews and homosexuals?

Are you, in fact, a Neo Nazi, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

And you still haven't answered, "misguided by who?"
 
I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread: everyone here will agree it's okay to speak ill of Hitler,

Wouldn't calling Godwin law be inappropriate if the Hitler or Nazi thing is actually appropriate this to use?


so what bar of evil does someone have to reach before we all agree that's acceptable?

I think that should be dependent of the individual. One man's evil is another man's good deeds.
 
I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread: everyone here will agree it's okay to speak ill of Hitler, so what bar of evil does someone have to reach before we all agree that's acceptable?

I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.
 
I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.

I think if Fred Phelps got seriously injured posters wouldn't be holding their tongue and if Fred Phelps died then people would be wanting to take a bus to his funeral to protest it with signs that say "God hates faggy little asswipe preachers like Fred Phelps"
 
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