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  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

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  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

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  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, considering that Hitler is one of the standards by which we judge evil, that would put your position in one of such minority that it makes little to no sense. What you should probably be concerned about is the statement that "Hitler was misguided" is a catchphrase of Neo-Nazis (when they acknowledge that the holocaust is real at all). Just sayin.

    And misguided by who?
    difference is there is no "We" for me. I make my own calls. Vlad the impaler is another one.---a guy using extreme measures, to protect his little chunk of earth, from what he perceived as invaders. I got no problem with that. ---I am a Nation of One.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    difference is there is no "We" for me. I make my own calls. Vlad the impaler is another one.---a guy using extreme measures, to protect his little chunk of earth, from what he perceived as invaders. I got no problem with that. ---I am a Nation of One.
    Uh huh, except we don't typically assign the label of "evil" to those using self defense. Are you saying that Germany didn't start the war, or that Hitler was "protecting" himself from the gypsies, Jews and homosexuals?

    Are you, in fact, a Neo Nazi, or are you just playing devil's advocate?

    And you still haven't answered, "misguided by who?"

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread: everyone here will agree it's okay to speak ill of Hitler,
    Wouldn't calling Godwin law be inappropriate if the Hitler or Nazi thing is actually appropriate this to use?


    so what bar of evil does someone have to reach before we all agree that's acceptable?
    I think that should be dependent of the individual. One man's evil is another man's good deeds.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm just going to go ahead and Godwin this thread: everyone here will agree it's okay to speak ill of Hitler, so what bar of evil does someone have to reach before we all agree that's acceptable?
    I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

    For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

    For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.
    I think if Fred Phelps got seriously injured posters wouldn't be holding their tongue and if Fred Phelps died then people would be wanting to take a bus to his funeral to protest it with signs that say "God hates faggy little asswipe preachers like Fred Phelps"
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    I think you have to be considerate of grievers. It also depends on your venue.

    For instance, in my opinion, tactics like those of Fred Phelps picketing funerals is unacceptable. Making fun of Kennedy on an internet discussion site on threads that people voluntarily participate in is more acceptable.
    How would you define the "bar of evil" that Phelps and Kennedy reached so that it would be acceptable to speak ill of them after death/hospitalization? I'm not asking what the individuals did, but for the definition of the acceptable bar of evil.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I think if Fred Phelps got seriously injured posters wouldn't be holding their tongue and if Fred Phelps died then people would be wanting to take a bus to his funeral to protest it with signs that say "God hates faggy little asswipe preachers like Fred Phelps"
    That would be a pathetic way to spend and afternoon, don't you think?

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    That would be a pathetic way to spend and afternoon, don't you think?
    If I were the father of one of the dead soldiers, I could see how it might be kind of cathartic.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    How would you define the "bar of evil" that Phelps and Kennedy reached so that it would be acceptable to speak ill of them after death/hospitalization? I'm not asking what the individuals did, but for the definition of the acceptable bar of evil.
    I already said that it depends on the venue. It's not a black and white issue. I personally think it's okay to say negative things about dead people in certain venues, but not others.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If I were the father of one of the dead soldiers, I could see how it might be kind of cathartic.
    Then maybe you would chose to do that. If anyone deserves it, it would be Mr Phelps.

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