View Poll Results: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

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  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

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  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

    4 6.90%
  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

    23 39.66%
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Some dead horses deserve to be beaten. Speaking ill of the dead serves to encourage other people to live better lives that they may be spoken of more pleasantly when they are departed. Think of the recently deceased as an object lesson.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I could accept that if there weren't so many people who knowingly caused brutal suffering to other people. It seems a lot less the exception and more a not-insignificant portion of the population. I don't need only Hitler to demonstrate this. What about a child molester? There are a lot of those. If a child molester dies, am I "kicking him when he's down" by stating that by his death, fewer children will be molested?

    I think you have to be discriminating with who you'd choose to "speak ill of," certainly (which people still won't define, btw), but there are definitely a lot of people who'd deserve it.
    Right, because of the bulk of the population consists of child molesters. And apparently, the only people you shouldn't speak ill of when they're dead are those who did no ill to speak of. Not much of a principle.

    Yeah, I would say, you can intensely dislike someone for valid reasons, but it's still cowardly to speak ill of him if he's not there to defend himself.


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    Because it's irelevant to my point, which states my view on it, anyway. Why do you want to know so badly?
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Some dead horses deserve to be beaten. Speaking ill of the dead serves to encourage other people to live better lives that they may be spoken of more pleasantly when they are departed. Think of the recently deceased as an object lesson.
    But if s/he's that bad, everyone already knows it. It's not like you're required to say nice things.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Alright, so basically we can conclude that some people deserve to be spoken ill of.

    All that's left is to define "speaking ill of" (vs. making a historically accurate statement about that person) and we can pack up for lunch.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    But if s/he's that bad, everyone already knows it. It's not like you're required to say nice things.
    Are you required to not say mean (truthful) things simply because he/she died? Sorry. That's a stupid tradition.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Alright, so basically we can conclude that some people deserve to be spoken ill of.


    Do you think you've reached the end of a Socratic beat-down here? I said there were exceptions several posts ago.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Are you required to not say mean (truthful) things simply because he/she died? Sorry. That's a stupid tradition.
    I'd say it serves no purpose other than vindictiveness. I explained above.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post


    Do you think you've reached the end of a Socratic beat-down here? I said there were exceptions several posts ago.
    I just don't understand why that was so difficult. Besides, my main issue is with the people who specifically stated that it's never okay to speak ill of the dead.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I just don't understand why that was so difficult.
    Why what was so difficult? I stated a general principle; you went straight for the nuclear option and said "what about Hitler?" -- and then I immediately granted there exceptions. Yeah, that was rough.


    Besides, my main issue is with the people who specifically stated that it's never okay to speak ill of the dead.
    Yeah? I never said that.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Yeah? I never said that.
    Well, you did, sort of. The totality of one of your posts (your first in this thread that I'm aware of) was

    "I think the whole thought is that it's tasteless, and even cowardly, to bash someone who can't be there to defend himself/herself."

    It was broad enough that I feel I was justified in asking for clarification.

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