View Poll Results: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

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  • Its never okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died.

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  • Its okay as long as everybody generally agrees that individual was a despicable person.

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  • Its okay as long as you think that person was despicable.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Oh yeah? Prove it!
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I think the whole thought is that it's tasteless, and even cowardly, to bash someone who can't be there to defend himself/herself.
    That's a good part of it. It shows no courage to speak ill of those who are sick, injured, or dead because they cannot fight back, whereas if you said it while they could, you might get embarrased or punched in the face. The other part is that you naturally get the last word in, especially when one dies, they cannot have an opportunity at rebuttle, so it's kind of an injustice as well.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I understand, but what's the line between bashing and stating historical fact about the person? When I state that Hitler caused one of the greatest incidences of suffering in the twentieth century, am I being historically accurate or am I bashing him?
    You can always find examples of exceptions. Hitler is an extreme example. Almost no one is in that category.

    I'm just talking about the general impetus behind the thought.

    And if someone's injured, it's the same idea of "kicking a man when he's down." There's no honor or to it whatsoever, and it's, again, kind of cowardly.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    You can always find examples of exceptions. Hitler is an extreme example. Almost no one is in that category.

    I'm just talking about the general impetus behind the thought.

    And if someone's injured, it's the same idea of "kicking a man when he's down." There's no honor or to it whatsoever, and it's, again, kind of cowardly.
    So, in other words, there are occasions in which it would actually be appropriate to "speak ill" or "bash" the dead, though you are being somewhat vague about what that actually means.

    Which of the poll options would you have voted for?
    Last edited by Cardinal; 01-04-10 at 02:35 PM.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I understand, but what's the line between bashing and stating historical fact about the person? When I state that Hitler caused one of the greatest incidences of suffering in the twentieth century, am I being historically accurate or am I bashing him?
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So, in other words, there are occasions in which it would actually be appropriate to "speak ill" or "bash" the dead, though you are being somewhat vague about what that actually means.

    Which of the poll options would you have voted for?
    Oh, come on. Is there any rule of human interaction which doesn't have exceptions? I'm simply talking about general principles here, which is why I couched it in exactly those terms, not ironclad absolutes.

    That there are exceptions does not make the general idea any less valid.
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Hitler and Stalin, are just the latest examples of people who had no problem killing millions, in the name of what ever they believed in. History is full of them. From Caligula, to Ghingus Khan.-- Alexander the Great, killed millions. --"Evil" men, or successful world Conquerors?
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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    doesn't the fact that DP had to add an RIP prefix for thread titles answer the question?

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, come on. Is there any rule of human interaction which doesn't have exceptions? I'm simply talking about general principles here, which is why I couched it in exactly those terms, not ironclad absolutes.

    That there are exceptions does not make the general idea any less valid.
    I could accept that if there weren't so many people who knowingly caused brutal suffering to other people. It seems a lot less the exception and more a not-insignificant portion of the population. I don't need only Hitler to demonstrate this. What about a child molester? There are a lot of those. If a child molester dies, am I "kicking him when he's down" by stating that by his death, fewer children will be molested?

    I think you have to be discriminating with who you'd choose to "speak ill of," certainly (which people still won't define, btw), but there are definitely a lot of people who'd deserve it.

    Why won't you say which poll option you would have voted for?
    Last edited by Cardinal; 01-04-10 at 02:46 PM.

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    Re: Is it okay to speak ill of those who are hospitalized or just died?

    Just a thought here--if the Guys is dead, why bother??---beating a dead horse comes to mind.
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