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Thread: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The Abrahamic god doesn't have a form we can identify, which makes things trickier, but still possible. For example, it is a startling coincidence that gods morality just happens to mirror the societies were the religions first developed. Technology is startling similar as well , with the bible describing a close approximation of pi, which is probably the best they could do at the time, but not exactly within a divine margin of error. Even things like banning pork had practical health application given the lack of knowledge about illness. This suggests that these ancient societies were responsible for inventing such a god.
    Pork was banned because pigs compete with humans for food. :p They were invnted by nomadic societies and thus the laws are compatible with nomadic societies more than settled society.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Perhaps the biggest argument that man made god(s) and not the other way around is the way that religion is spread. Nobody has ever independently discovered the same god. If any of the divine beings mentioned existed, why are they so careful to only ever appear in a very select geographic region? The sole means of spreading religion is human contact. The gods who used to intervene constantly on earth as written in the holy texts have yet to ever make their presence known today.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Uh...Dav,

    You do realize that logic is based on assumptions to produce a framework for thinking no? That if we remove assumptions, logic fails to function. Case in point: omnipotence.
    Okay, but when one of your assumptions is the very thing you are trying to argue in the first place, it kind of ruins the point. The Drake equation may itself be the logical conclusion to a set of assumptions, but it does not provide a logical basis for the argument that extra-terrestrial life exists at all, since that is basically an assumption it makes.

    Also, when I used the word "assumption" earlier, it was partially for lack of a better term; most of the time I was talking about gut feelings or psychological instinct, or however you want to describe it.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Pork was banned because pigs compete with humans for food. :p They were invnted by nomadic societies and thus the laws are compatible with nomadic societies more than settled society.
    I'd suspect that it also had more to do with the dangers of eating raw pork.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    We ought to, there's no functional difference between the two. Both are delusional beliefs, one just happens to be a culturally-accepted delusion. However, just because one is accepted and one is not doesn't mean that both are not still irrational, right up until one of them is supported by objective evidence. That hasn't happened, therefore...
    The examples are not comparable.

    One is a plausible explanation for the origin of the universe, whereas the other is a random and nonsensical claim.

    The concept of God fits logically into a theory or model of the universe. It is possible and plausible. But garage-dragons!? What theory or model do they fit into? What line of reasoning would necessitate a dragon in one's garage? Sure, it's possible, but is it really plausible!?

    And if they really are logically equivalent then where are all the people who think there's a dragon in their garage? Surely, if billions of people can "delude" themselves into believing in God, then a substantial amount of people out there should also be deluding themselves into believing there's a dragon in their garage. Why don't they?

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'd suspect that it also had more to do with the dangers of eating raw pork.
    Trichinosis was a factor, but the ultimate reason was the anthropological one of it being more viable for nomadic societies not to cultivate pork versus animals which do not compete with humans for food.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    But you weren't using the word supernatural correctly either...Just sayin
    Sure I was.

    Science is about learning about what we do not currently understand.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    It is only a logical statement if you believe that. Why do people wish to complicate things when they are simple?
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Basically, neither claim (God doesn't exist / God does exist) can be proven.
    Purely based on logic, this is true.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Look.. Nietzsche said God is dead and that is that. Forget about it. We do not need proof or anything, right?

    When you can prove that God does exist? Get back to me.. Til then? Logic tells you that he does not exist. That is logic. The End.
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