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Thread: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Then neither assertion is logical or scientific, since an assertion requires proof. Agreed?
    Having proof is not evidence of following logic.

    The whole thing between you and I was about which side the burden of proof belongs. Logic dictates that it must belong on the side of the theists because it is impossible to gather evidence of nothing. You can only gather evidence of a positive claim, which is "God does exist."

    All the above, here, is logically sound.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Having proof is not evidence of following logic.

    The whole thing between you and I was about which side the burden of proof belongs. Logic dictates that it must belong on the side of the theists because it is impossible to gather evidence of nothing. You can only gather evidence of a positive claim, which is "God does exist."

    All the above, here, is logically sound.
    The burden falls on both sides, since they are both asserting something.

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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The burden falls on both sides, since they are both asserting something.
    I'm going to stay on the other thread, no use having 2 of the same conversations.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    As your claim exists within a logical construct, it is logical even-though false.
    I'm pretty certain you cannot call a false claim logical, thats illogical; You can call it specious as best.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    God told me at coffee this morning, that he didn't need any support, nor any believers. He was just cool the way things are. He is God after all. but I feel he should use less sugar.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    I'm pretty certain you cannot call a false claim logical, thats illogical; You can call it specious as best.
    If you continue to claim it's true after you know it's false, I agree.

    But if you don't yet know it's false, I think it could be a logical statement.

    Much like the falsified theory: the nature of it is scientific even after it has been falsified. I would even say that the simple fact that it could be falsified by the scientific method reinforces the fact that it is a scientific theory.

    In the same way do I regard a false statement. The simple fact that it conformed to the rules of logic enough to be falsified by another logical argument reinforces the fact that the nature of the false statement is logical even if wrong.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    The argument requires that God is bound by logic. That's a rather large assumption that questions the logical value of such a statement.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you continue to claim it's true after you know it's false, I agree.

    But if you don't yet know it's false, I think it could be a logical statement.

    Much like the falsified theory: the nature of it is scientific even after it has been falsified. I would even say that the simple fact that it could be falsified by the scientific method reinforces the fact that it is a scientific theory.

    In the same way do I regard a false statement. The simple fact that it conformed to the rules of logic enough to be falsified by another logical argument reinforces the fact that the nature of the false statement is logical even if wrong.

    IA, a logic statement can turn out to be false. Logical doesn't equal accurate.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A scientific statement? No...not really. There is no way to empirically test this, unless you clarify what you mean by God.

    A logical statement? Based on Occam's Razor, I would say that this should be the default logical conclusion in the absence of any evidence.
    Unfortunately, it's not. At best, one can say that because there is no currently-existing evidence, that the claim fails to meet the criteria for believability. No evidence ought to mean no belief. Lack of evidence does not prove that it doesn't exist though.
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    Re: God Does Not Exist: Logical Statement?

    It is not scientific as it cannot be tested one way or the other. It is not logical as it is based literally on nothing.
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