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    Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    I say no. It doesn't change the fact that person committed the crime. Justice and the victims should not be ignored just because some quack deems the criminal insane.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    You're in the BN forum.

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    I say no. It doesn't change the fact that person committed the crime.
    It depends. If it actually has an impact on the person's ability to think properly...then I would say yes. It hardly seems fair to mete out a harsh punishment to someone if they won't understand why they are being punished, if they truly don't remember committing the crime, if they were not "themselves" when they committed the crime, etc. Better to get them the mental help that they need. Prison should be reserved for the worst of the worst.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    You're in the BN forum.
    My bad, hopefully a mod will move the thread.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    This should have been in the Polls forum, I'm sure it will get moved but anyway:

    It depends on the illness, I can't specify illnesses that would serve as a good example, but whenever you think of the situation in jail, consider the fact that illnesses might be harmful to other inmates, etc.

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    Or those with severe illnesses should get treatment in prison hospitals.


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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Considering that each state's system of law has various degrees for murder by people who aren't mentally ill, I don't see why the mentally ill wouldn't be extended the same courtesy.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    This should have been in the Polls forum, I'm sure it will get moved but anyway:

    It depends on the illness, I can't specify illnesses that would serve as a good example, but whenever you think of the situation in jail, consider the fact that illnesses might be harmful to other inmates, etc.

    (hard to explain)

    Or those with severe illnesses should get treatment in prison hospitals.
    Schizophrenia. My wife's cousin suffers it so severely that without her medication the world she can't tell AT ALL the difference between the real world and her hallucinations and has(while off her medication) attacked people and even some objects thinking they are monsters.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Schizophrenia. My wife's cousin suffers it so severely that without her medication the world she can't tell AT ALL the difference between the real world and her hallucinations and has(while off her medication) attacked people and even some objects thinking they are monsters.
    Yes, this.

    The thread that inspired this discussed bipolar disorder, and, I believe that bipolar should be considered a mitigating factor in some cases, as well. During a manic phase, someone with bipolar disorder may not sleep for days on end. The lack of sleep can lead to disorientation and a break with reality. Paired with the extreme risk taking behavior that is often present in a manic phase, this can cause a situation where the person cannot control their actions.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    Yes, this.

    The thread that inspired this discussed bipolar disorder, and, I believe that bipolar should be considered a mitigating factor in some cases, as well. During a manic phase, someone with bipolar disorder may not sleep for days on end. The lack of sleep can lead to disorientation and a break with reality. Paired with the extreme risk taking behavior that is often present in a manic phase, this can cause a situation where the person cannot control their actions.
    I can see bipolar as a mitigating factor, but not one which trumps the persons ability to know right from wrong and act on it.

    I am convinced that Schizophrenia often does cause people to be unable to know right from wrong. These people should be treated in an attempt to gain the ability to apprehend reality. They are 'not guilty' when they commit a crime.

    I believe that psychopaths also are not able to tell right from wrong. I believe they do not feel guilt, and have no sense that what they do is wrong. I believe that they are made by their treatment when they are young (though genetics or pre-natal development may also play a role). However, I believe these should probably nevertheles be put to death or locked away permanently without any possibility of regaining freedom. I think they should be kept separated from people we intend to release (ie, most of the rest of the prison population).

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Execute them, society will be better off in the long run.....

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