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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes it should.

    Today we have access to the workings of the human mind. Using this to help someone who is not necessarily a criminal is a good thing.

    I am not saying use it as a crutch, I am saying it should be a factor in punishment and a possible reinsertion into society.
    On that, we can agree.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    We have to be taught to"act" civilized from childhood. we are naturally aggressive killers, without supervision. Our Schools and all religions are set up to try to make civilized beings out of us. We have to teach Our Kids it is wrong to stab little Johnny in the face with a stick. --Kids left alone, would kill each other off, with no adult to intervene. ---Would you leave your Kids alone, and un supervised? they would burn the house down. Being "Civilized" is not our natural state, it must be taught.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarcho-fascist View Post
    Well then, that sure clears that up.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    To paraphrase Robert Heinlein in "Starship Troopers" (a book, for those illiterates who wasted time watching the movie and never bothered to read the source), a man deserted from an army in which anyone could quit at any time, and eventually kidnapped and murdered a child. Since he was a deserter, he was still on the company's roll, and was punished by the Army.

    Who promptly whipped him then hung him until he was dead.

    The narrator summed it up by saying "of course he was crazy. What difference does that make? If he was cured, the only thing he could do to escape living with the crime he committed was to kill himself. And if he couldn't do that, he was still crazy. So either way he should die. No matter, the purpose of the military is to protect little girls, not the men who murder them."

    We shoot mad dogs, don't we? We don't worry about protecting the mad dog from society.

    Some crimes deserve punishment by death, regarless of how crazy the perpetrator is.

    Take, for example, the Shoe Bomber. Moussaoui's attempted murder has led to the requirement that every air traveler in the United States, if not the world, has to spend five minutes parading through the airport in bare feet. With ten billion or so passengers flying annually, that man has caused the destruction, annually, of fifty billion minutes. Since a single 80 year lifetime is merely forty two million minutes, the Shoe Bomber has caused the annual loss of over 1000 lives.

    Every year.

    He should be executed for wasting everyone's time like that. Since his intent was mass murder, and since he's killing the equivalent of 1000 people a year, he should be punished appropriately.

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    Well then, that sure clears that up.
    The point is that people normally have inherent empathy for others.

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Take, for example, the Shoe Bomber. Moussaoui's attempted murder has led to the requirement that every air traveler in the United States, if not the world, has to spend five minutes parading through the airport in bare feet. With ten billion or so passengers flying annually, that man has caused the destruction, annually, of fifty billion minutes. Since a single 80 year lifetime is merely forty two million minutes, the Shoe Bomber has caused the annual loss of over 1000 lives.

    Every year.

    He should be executed for wasting everyone's time like that. Since his intent was mass murder, and since he's killing the equivalent of 1000 people a year, he should be punished appropriately.
    I've been wondering about this, actually.

    If a method of thoroughly scanning shoes while still on a person's feet was developed, could they modify the procedures to no longer require the removal of shoes? Or are there other reasons for shoe removal?
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Depends on the illness and the crime. Example if it is just a petty crime? I would have a heart but if someone kills their own child? I could care less if they are mentally ill. Kill em.
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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    I say no. It doesn't change the fact that person committed the crime. Justice and the victims should not be ignored just because some quack deems the criminal insane.
    probably but if someone kills my kid I am going to try my best to waste him no matter if he is sick or not



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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    Depends on the illness and the crime. Example if it is just a petty crime? I would have a heart but if someone kills their own child? I could care less if they are mentally ill. Kill em.
    You better hope you never get a severe mental illness.

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    I certainly don't think anyone should get off for committing a crime because of a mental illness, especially an uncurable one. Let's be honest, does it really matter to the victim what caused their killer to kill them? They're still dead. We can tailor treatment for the criminal to help them, assuming they will ever get out of prison, but even cured, they still need to serve their sentence for the crime they committed.
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