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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    What’s the purpose of our criminal justice system? Does it exist to sequester dangerous elements from the rest of society? To punish people that have offended our morality? To “fix” maladjusted people so they can be returned to society without committing more crime?

    Obviously, it exists to punish and sequester without regard for recidivism. If we seriously gave a **** about reducing recidivism, I’m sure we could have come up with something more effective than a system that allows 2/3 of all criminals to return to jail.

    Since this whole game is just about hurting and excluding the people who have hurt us, I don’t see mental illness playing much of a role in how we treat criminals. After all, most criminal behavior can be ascribed to having a brain that isn’t wired as optimally as everyone else, resulting in fun things like poor planning, judgment, and impulse control and weakened emotional regulation. Where’s the difference between the guy who flies into a rage at what normal people consider a slight provocation and the guy who thinks cracking open skulls kills the monsters trapped inside?

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Any justice system that claims to be civilized must ascertain the intentions of the criminal when proceeding with a case. If your intentions are based on an uncontrolled hallucination, a psychotic delusion that is naturally occurring in your mind, or any mental factor beyond your control which severely limits your function and rational mind, then that must certainly be taken into account when rendering a verdict.

    Chinese society is way behind when it comes to psychological illness. In Mandarin there is one word for describing your health, 身体 (shen[1]ti[3]). It literally means body. "My body/health is good right now", "My body/health is not so good." Health is synonymous with your physical body. The average person has no concept of psychiatry of psychological disorder. If someone is acting out, they are 毛病 (mao[2]bing[4]) "troubled".

    There are no social services there for people with mental issues. In the last year that I was there, the woman who lived in the building across from me would scream at all hours of the night from her balcony at someone who wasn't there. She would boil pots of water and throw them out the window to get rid of this invisible person. She had zero agency. People just called her "troubled" and went along their merry way.

    So what can we expect from a society that operates at such a level? They don't even acknowledge mental illness in people who aren't criminals, so why would their justice system give a pass to a foreigner - who, by the way, was headed to Xinjiang and had a Muslim name - who claims to be mentally ill?

    The court case lasted 30 minutes. There was no time for witnesses, expert testimony, or even for foreign diplomats to get together any kind of legal defense. Those of you who are giving a nod of approval to such a shoddy system must secretly get kicks out of dictatorships. Why do you live in the U.S., exactly, if you think this kind of "swift justice" is so enviable?

    Then there are the other levels... like, sometimes executions are rushed so that officials can profit off of organ transplants. Look it up, the Chinese government openly profits off of those executed in the body parts trade. Is the guy's family ever going to see his body? Fat chance. They'll probably get a bill in the mail for the bullet used to shoot him between the eyes.

    It's sick. Whether or not this guy deserved to die is beside the point that China doesn't give a damn if he is innocent or guilty, incapacitated mentally or fully functional. They don't think on that level. It's beyond them. Seriously. I've lived there, and I'm not so PC that I'll see bull**** and call it a rose. The thing that sickens me the most is that whether or not you spectators approve or disapprove with the execution is based on your political agenda; you don't give a toss whether or not someone's humanitarian rights were openly violated. You are the first people to cry out when a Christian is detained in North Korea. Bunch of hypocrites.
    Last edited by Orion; 12-30-09 at 02:29 AM.

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm pretty sure he wasn't being sarcastic.
    I wasn't......
    Why waste money on mentally defective criminals?.....
    The money could be put to better use on something else......
    No smiley, at all......

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, he's just a troll. I doubt he even believes the **** he writes most of the time.
    Not conforming to your Liberal point of view is not trolling.....
    This world already is overpopulated, why artificially sustain a mentally defective part of the population?......
    A criminal one at that?......

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    I say no. It doesn't change the fact that person committed the crime. Justice and the victims should not be ignored just because some quack deems the criminal insane.
    of course mental illness should be taken into account. by your measure, a spur of the moment manslaughter, (say, shoving someone into a wall), that results in death, is the same as shooting someone point blank.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    People may mimic what they perceive as civilized behavior---we we are far from civilized.
    "Don't be particular bout nothin, but the company you keep"

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by Skateguy View Post
    People may mimic what they perceive as civilized behavior---we we are far from civilized.
    i don't understand your point.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course mental illness should be taken into account. by your measure, a spur of the moment manslaughter, (say, shoving someone into a wall), that results in death, is the same as shooting someone point blank.
    Even with manslaughter someone is still found guilty of manslaughter and punished. With first degree murder someone is still found guilty of 1st degree murder and punished. The insanity BS basically lets someone off the hook even though they did do the crime, sure they may go to a hospital/nuthouse but it is not a punishment.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Even with manslaughter someone is still found guilty of manslaughter and punished. With first degree murder someone is still found guilty of 1st degree murder and punished. The insanity BS basically lets someone off the hook even though they did do the crime, sure they may go to a hospital/nuthouse but it is not a punishment.
    many states have pleas that allow for treatment THEN incarceration.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should a criminal's mental illness have an impact on how he or she is punished?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't understand your point.
    We have to be taught to"act" civilized from childhood. we are naturally aggressive killers, without supervision. Our Schools and all religions are set up to try to make civilized beings out of us. We have to teach Our Kids it is wrong to stab little Johnny in the face with a stick. --Kids left alone, would kill each other off, with no adult to intervene. ---Would you leave your Kids alone, and un supervised? they would burn the house down. Being "Civilized" is not our natural state, it must be taught.
    Last edited by Skateguy; 12-30-09 at 12:48 PM.
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