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Is it time to profile on airline flights?

Is it time to profile on airline flights?


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hmmm I am a card carryng member of the NRA......I have a shot gun, a 22 rifle and a loaded police 38 on my night stand.......Hard for me to be against the second amendment my friend (I won't call you my left wing friend because unlike almost all of the lefties in DP who are ashamed of what they are to your credit you are honest enough to admit it and be proud of it.)

BTW...Navy...you missed her point...just like missed my "Cafeteria Strict Constructionist" point.

You say that the Constitution is changing due to things that were outside the "framers" minds at the time of the creation of the Constitution. You want to apply it to one circumstance...and like Redress pointed out...you'll cry "strict constructionism" in another....thus....you are a "cafeteria strict constructionist"
 
But you said that if the founding fathers did not envision something, we should change the constitution. Since the founding fathers did not foresee the rifles and handguns of today, by your logic, we should change the second amendment.

Navy is coming around to understanding that the Constitution is a living/breathing document.
 
You said that you're scared of terrorists attacking, so I was noting that wherever you are in the Pacific NW, it's doubtful that it's much of a target. If we're going to pretend that this issue should be decided based on who's scared or not (not that I'm saying it should), I think the opinions of people in NY/DC/LA should be given preference.



The PATRIOT ACT is a law, not a constitutional amendment. You said that the Constitution has changed since 1776 so as to give the government power to do more extreme things. I'm asking you how the Constitution has changed.

1. We have the Trident Submarines base at Subase Bangor (about 20 miles away) with trident missles stowed there.......We have the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard (about 10 miles away).....W have McChord AFB and Fort Lewis army post (about 15 miles away) :confused:

2. I am saying the PA alllows the government freedoms the constitution does not.........
 
No. Anyone who would think it is, is just a coward.

Oh no! Lets take away more freedom because we are afraid of the bad old terrorist.

These kind of people make me sick.
 
It is an insult if you aren't one.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its usually even though you try to disassociate yourself from it my left wing friend.........You can run but you can't hide.............
 
Navy is coming around to understanding that the Constitution is a living/breathing document.

While it is in that there are ways to amend the Constitution, the government can only be granted new powers through an amendment. Otherwise, it's tyrannical use of government force to usurp power from the People and the States.
 
2. I am saying the PA alllows the government freedoms the constitution does not.........

So you're saying it's unconstitutional huh? Interesting.
 
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its usually even though you try to disassociate yourself from it my left wing friend.........You can run but you can't hide.............

Kinda like..."If it walks like a Republican and sounds like a Republican.....its a Republican"....even when they try to deny....run....and hide.
 
Kinda like..."If it walks like a Republican and sounds like a Republican.....its a Republican"....even when they try to deny....run....and hide.

I am and Independent..........I belong to no political party..........
 
1. We have the Trident Submarines base at Subase Bangor (about 20 miles away) with trident missles stowed there.......We have the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard (about 10 miles away).....W have McChord AFB and Fort Lewis army post (about 15 miles away) :confused:

And so far AQ has shown a tendency to avoid attacking soft, high-profile targets in favor of hard, low-profile ones. Right.

2. I am saying the PA alllows the government freedoms the constitution does not.........

That's not how laws work.

Congress cannot enact a law that goes outside its authority under the Constitution. Such a law is invalid upon passage. The Patriot Act is not one of those laws.
 
And so far AQ has shown a tendency to avoid attacking soft, high-profile targets in favor of hard, low-profile ones. Right.



That's not how laws work.

Congress cannot enact a law that goes outside its authority under the Constitution. Such a law is invalid upon passage. The Patriot Act is not one of those laws.

Sounds good on paper, unfortunately, that's not how the real world works.... and you know it.
 
I'm in favor of profiling. It makes sense. It's stupid to waste time and resources searching a little old lady, or a woman traveling with her baby. Most terrorists are men, to start with. Suicidal terrorists are usually Middle Eastern men who aren't traveling with their families. Anti-government whites don't really hijack planes anymore, they would most likely do something like McVeigh did. They aren't generally suicidal.

How do you know that little old lady didn't have something put in her luggage unbeknownst to her? Or someone is forced to bring something on board with the threat of their family killed? See where I'm going here? As far as your other statements you're assuming, which isn't a prerogative of an agency tasked with preventing a terrorist from being successful. All it takes is one exception.

I seem to remember someone placing a bomb in a girlfriend's suitcase once... Was that Lockerbie or a different one?
 
That is up to the SCOTUS to decide and to this point they have not.........

The Constitution is the document which grants power to the government through the People. You said that the Patriot Act, a piece of legislation from Congress, grants power to the government not granted in the Constitution. In essence, you've admitted that the government granted itself power which was not given to it by the People as dictated through the Constitution. You're not looking very "conservative", it seems more fascist. And being left of fascism is probably a good thing.
 
Navy...is very much an advocate of Big Government. It is not surprising that he started this thread and is advocating for the Government to take a larger role in our lives.
 
Sounds good on paper, unfortunately, that's not how the real world works.... and you know it.

It's a philosophical question that goes back to John Marshall whether an unconstitutional law is invalid upon passage or only upon invalidation by the courts. The answer to that question is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand, so I didn't feel like delving into the discussion.

The point is that Navy is operating under a significant misconception as to how laws work.
 
I think Navy Pride wants us to live in a police state. :confused:
 
It's a philosophical question that goes back to John Marshall whether an unconstitutional law is invalid upon passage or only upon invalidation by the courts. The answer to that question is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand, so I didn't feel like delving into the discussion.

The point is that Navy is operating under a significant misconception as to how laws work.

K...... thought I knew you better, and I did. :mrgreen:
 
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck its usually even though you try to disassociate yourself from it my left wing friend.........You can run but you can't hide.............

I hide from nothing. I admit have some liberal social views, but when it comes fiscal issues, big government, right to bear arms (your puny arsenal is nothing compared to mine) the constitution and states rights I am pretty conservative and have voted republican more than democrat. You on the other hand are one of those no-brain faux conservatives that believes what they tell you to believe. Your kind are an embarrassment to true conservatives.
Just because I think Bush was one our worst presidents does not make me a liberal, just a rational thinker.
Liberals are right on some issues and conservatives are right on others.
 
Navy...is very much an advocate of Big Government. It is not surprising that he started this thread and is advocating for the Government to take a larger role in our lives.

Exactly right. What a phoney.
 
Call me old fashioned but I'd rather make law enforcement follow probable cause or at the very least reasonable suspicion rather than profiling. :2wave:
 
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