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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Those "witnesses" are either lying or they're extremely confused. The Dutch government has officially confirmed that the guy did hold a valid Nigerian passport and a valid US visa. The things some people will do to get on TV.

    CTV News | No red flags on terror suspect: Dutch officials
    Thanks for the link. I didn't expect those people to be fame hungry after a situation like this but I forgot it's too common.

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am and old guy and have lived a good life so I am not afraid to die but I want to see my children and grandchildren live a long and happy life.....I dson't believe the lefties speaking in this thread represent the thinking of the silent majority in this country.........I am so happy for that......I do believe the war on terror will be long and drawn out, maybe even a hundred years and for the lefties that speak here who believe here is not even a war on terror happening is what is insane.....I think those of us who believe we are in the biggest danger of our lives will fight to the end and even protect our left wing friends in spite of themselves......The radical muslims want us to convert to their religeous beliefs or die.....
    And you would stomp all over the Constitution to turn us into a police state were the government can detain you based on your race. "So sorry massa, we just wants to fly on da plane boss."

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    Some of you lefties have called me a coward......I am no coward I have lived a great life and died tommorrow I would have no regrets........
    Well if the shoe fits. It is idiots who hold to that "trample our rights for safety" crap that has caused this bull**** in the first place.

    No thanks. I will take freedom over fear.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Personally I do not see how profiling based on race would be effictive. Muslim terrorist are arab, african, far east asian, caucasion etc. Thats why I think as a part of a broader security plan religious profiling must be used. It only makes sense. The question is how do know someones religion. In Israel all passengers have a background check. Muslims receive special scrutiny from El Al security. And as a result El Al is the worlds most secure airline. We could do this as well.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    We have an unbelievably higher number of people likely flying through our airports than Israel does on any given day.

    Who do you propose will be running those background checks?
    Who do you propose will be doing the profile questioning?
    How do you propose to pay for the background checks, the training, and the likely increased personnel needed?
    How would you deal with the hit on the economy and on business when airport travel becomes even more difficult and even more time consuming?

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Profiling cannot be so simple - it must take into account multiple levels. Geographical location, type of flight, and yes the persons name, and country of origin. That alone could be enough to warrant a second look or a pat down in some circumstances. Critics will simply say Al Qaeda will then recruit European or American's and have them carry out terrorist acts. That may also be correct - but what this last act specifically identified was that we, the U.S., are still not talking to each other, not taking security seriously, and are not adding together the clues. Unless this happens and happens fast - we're going to have another 9-11 that may even be worse. We cannot learn our lessons and apply them while being politically sensitive and unwilling to possibly - just possibly hurt feelings.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Police officers "profile" all the time based upon distinguishing characteristics and behaviors. This isn't racism, it's good police work. It's ridiculous that some kind of misguided political correctness is keeping us from air safety.

    Frankly, there should be an enhanced system whereby frequent fliers can provide additional information in advance and skip the b.s. hassles, and infrequent fliers get extra scrutiny.

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Police officers "profile" all the time based upon distinguishing characteristics and behaviors. This isn't racism, it's good police work. It's ridiculous that some kind of misguided political correctness is keeping us from air safety.
    Again, I see no one arguing against that directly. PROFILING is normal.

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    To my knowledge broadscale religious/racial profiling by officers is not allowed. IE, in a city where its known blacks perform the most robberies you don't just pull over any black person you see to check if they have stuff on them to rob a store. IE, in a city where christians are known to have been vandelizing store fronts of places they disagree with you can't just camp out in front of a church and interrogate everyone there or give full body searches to anyone wearing a cross.

    Again, I doubt if you said "If ALL things are equal, if both people have equal amount of traditioanal warning signs, and one is an 80 year old woman and one is a 30 year old male named Muhammed with a koran in his pack" that people would have issue if you paid a bit more attention to Muhammed. However, what people have issue is if it was that both the 80 year old woman and the 30 year old guy named muhammed and both don't have any warning signs and you go ahead and wave the 80 year old through and then decide to do a cavity search on Muhammed for no other reason than because he's muslim like some have suggested.

    Profiling, almost singularly on race/religion or to such a large degree on those is not efficient, is not effective, and is NOT used by law enforcement in broad scale ways. Its used at most as a small part of a much larger profile, OR used in part during a specific incident when a specific violation is known in a generalized location, IE, a report coming over the speaker saying that a 5'8" hispanic individual in blue jeans and a red cap just robbed a store within a block from you. At that point, yes, focusing only on Hispanics would make senes because you KNOW a crime was committed, you KNOW it was by a hispanic person, and you KNOW its by a hispanic person in your relative close vicinity. That's entirely different than just general racial profiling when you know SOME hispanics at SOME point at SOME place are more likely to rob a store, so you may as well question all of them you see all the time because they might just be guilty.

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Police officers "profile" all the time based upon distinguishing characteristics and behaviors. This isn't racism, it's good police work. It's ridiculous that some kind of misguided political correctness is keeping us from air safety.
    Huge difference from picking out a thug on the street and a sophisticated TRAINED terrorist.

    Considering the amount of mistakes and set ups the police cause, do you really want this done on a huge scale? We can't even get it right on a small scale.

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    Frankly, there should be an enhanced system whereby frequent fliers can provide additional information in advance and skip the b.s. hassles, and infrequent fliers get extra scrutiny.
    I will again take freedom over fear.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Police officers "profile" all the time based upon distinguishing characteristics and behaviors. This isn't racism, it's good police work. It's ridiculous that some kind of misguided political correctness is keeping us from air safety.

    Frankly, there should be an enhanced system whereby frequent fliers can provide additional information in advance and skip the b.s. hassles, and infrequent fliers get extra scrutiny.
    No...most often its called police acting like rogue cops. Its a sad day in America where cops who detain people without probable cause based on their skin color or the neighborhood they live in, pat them down, search them without probable cause or a warrant.....and its called "good police work".

    Its also not about "PC", its about upholding our Constitution and not allowing the government to treat people differently based on the color of their skin or their ethnicity.
    As for your second point, why not just allow those who can afford to fly first class the ability to skip the b.s. hassles...essentially what you are advocating is a class based system where those who can afford to fly and travel frequently are able to bypass the hassle, where people who can't afford to travel a lot have to deal with what you rightly call "B.S.".

    God help us as a country if we ever allow the government the power to treat people of different classes/races/ethnicities more differently than they already do.
    Frankly....I'm surprised that so many people are willing to hand over our Constitutional guarantees.
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