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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can get actual names of people who voted if you click on the number.....The way you find out the actual count is to count the names....A lot of liberals like they do in the election try and vote 2 or 3 times..........You can weed them out this way........
    Then Liberals must be packing the "ballot box" with both "Yes" and "No" answers, because anonymous voters also voted yes.

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What was the bitching earlier about denegrating one's service?
    You mean, you bitching about questioning somebody who has been shown to be inconsistent in their story? Yeah I remember you bitching. What about it?

    Bet we won't hear a peep outta their asses, now.

    So, tell us Hatuey, what unit did you serve in?
    I'm not the storekeeper claiming to be Rambo because they got 'combat pay' for keeping track of spare parts. It's almost as bad as claiming you served during war time when what you did was fly planes in Texas. It kind of shows a bit of intellectual dishonesty. But in the great Navy Pride, admiral of the 7 seas and all knowing old man of the world, what else is there to expect but intellectual dishonesty? And now he's found himself a little apd-atsy. Somebody to carry his water around while he walks like his knowledge of.....well nothing other than keeping track of parts on a ship - is enough for him to try and debate people who've done more with their minds than watch a few episodes of the O'Reilley report and read the latest Rush Limbaugh blog entry.

    But here - I didn't serve any time - Now what? Show us you serving in the military make you right and I wrong. I bet you can't. Because it's called the fallacy from authority. Example. I've read around 40-50 books in my lifetime about art. That by definition means that regardless of what the argument is about concerning art, because I've read 50 books, I am automatically right and you should shut the **** up. However, as we know in the real world, that is not how things work. You make a statement that is found to be inconsistent by other people, you should at least have the intellectuality to back it up. In Navy's case I've come to the conclusion that he is some 18 year old asking his grandfather for information about when he served in war. His story simply has too many holes. Goes around talking like he's run the ship and then gets called on it. Says he got "combat pay" and says you can only get it if you've seen combat. This is called out and is stated to be false because you can indeed receive "combat pay"(which is actually imminent danger pay) without seeing actual combat.

    http://usmilitary.about.com/od/fy200...ombat.-uV_.htm

    There is the list of combat zones around the world. Here is how it works. You spend a single day in a CZ(combat zone) and you get combat pay. You could have done nothing but cooked for 3-400 guys and you would get combat pay as long as you're in a CZ. And before you even go questioning where the source is from :

    http://usmilitary.about.com/bio/Rod-Powers-6341.htm

    Powers is a distinguished graduate of the Air Force NCO Academy, Senior NCO Academy, and the Air Force First Sergeant Academy. He has a degree in Personnel Administration from the Community College of the Air Force.
    Damn, it got quiet all of a sudden.
    Some of us give people more than 20 minutes to reply between posts.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Canadians had a rough time flying into the US...must have been brutal in some other places.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    This question always reminds me of the movie The Fugitive. How long would it have taken to find his wife's killer if Dr. Richard Kimble didn't look first for "one armed" "men"?
    In that case, he knew that the one particular person who committed the crime was a one-armed man. It's just like this situation, except not at all.

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    I am saying whatever it takes.............
    So let's withdraw all our troops from overseas and declare ourselves an Islamic caliphate. That will put an end to terrorism, right?
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Damn, it got quiet all of a sudden.
    Its past the liberals bed time............
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You mean, you bitching about questioning somebody who has been shown to be inconsistent in their story? Yeah I remember you bitching. What about it?
    I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now. I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform. I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.



    I'm not the storekeeper claiming to be Rambo because they got 'combat pay' for keeping track of spare parts. It's almost as bad as claiming you served during war time when what you did was fly planes in Texas.
    So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?

    It kind of shows a bit of intellectual dishonesty. But in the great Navy Pride, admiral of the 7 seas and all knowing old man of the world, what else is there to expect but intellectual dishonesty? And now he's found himself a little apd-atsy. Somebody to carry his water around while he walks like his knowledge of.....well nothing other than keeping track of parts on a ship - is enough for him to try and debate people who've done more with their minds than watch a few episodes of the O'Reilley report and read the latest Rush Limbaugh blog entry.
    You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?

    But here - I didn't serve any time - Now what? Show us you serving in the military make you right and I wrong. I bet you can't. Because it's called the fallacy from authority. Example. I've read around 40-50 books in my lifetime about art. That by definition means that regardless of what the argument is about concerning art, because I've read 50 books, I am automatically right and you should shut the **** up.
    Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?

    However, as we know in the real world, that is not how things work. You make a statement that is found to be inconsistent by other people, you should at least have the intellectuality to back it up.
    What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.

    In Navy's case I've come to the conclusion that he is some 18 year old asking his grandfather for information about when he served in war. His story simply has too many holes. Goes around talking like he's run the ship and then gets called on it.
    I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.


    Says he got "combat pay" and says you can only get it if you've seen combat. This is called out and is stated to be false because you can indeed receive "combat pay"(which is actually imminent danger pay) without seeing actual combat.

    Combat Zones and Immiment Danger Pay (Combat Pay)

    There is the list of combat zones around the world. Here is how it works. You spend a single day in a CZ(combat zone) and you get combat pay. You could have done nothing but cooked for 3-400 guys and you would get combat pay as long as you're in a CZ. And before you even go questioning where the source is from :

    Rod Powers
    So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

    Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now. I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform. I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.





    So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?



    You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?



    Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?



    What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.



    I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.




    So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

    Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
    Don't waste your time my friend........He is not worth the argument......He is clueless about hostile fire or combat pay as it is called and who is eligible for it.. ..................I am not even sure he is and American citizen.....
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I seem to remember some folks crying about and those same people are no where to be seen now.
    Well that is great for you. Now address what I said. But I have the suspicion that you'll just repeat yourself over and over again without actually saying anything.

    I certainly wonder what makes you any kind of authority on Navy's telling of his military experience, since you've never spent a day in uniform.
    Okay stop right there. Because you obviously didn't read anything that has been said before. Navy himself has stated his duties on a ship and tried to inflate them. He was called on them by people who have spent more then a day in uniform and he didn't reply. That you're still trying to argue **** that you weren't around to even see just shows that you're just talking so that we can all see that you have something to say. Please stop? I will rip you apart for being the newb who stepped up to somebody who's been here for more than a couple of months.

    I mean, it's obvious that whomever convinced you that there are inconsistencies in his story didn't know that SK idnetified something more than just a pencil pusher. That, in itself, is a huge inconsistency. Obviously an SK rate can cover many different jobs, unlike an 11M40MG-H, in the Army, which is very specific in MOS and function.
    And here we go again with apdst talking like something is obvious and he has any prior knowledge of the facts. No. Obviously, something is not obvious when a person refuses to clarify their own statements as Navy himself has whenever his telling of his story is asked to be clarified. Learn what words like inconsistency and obvious mean before you go using them. Remember sparky? That's what we're talking about?

    So, does that make his service irrelevant to other branches of arms and service and MOS's? Again, what unit did you serve in?

    You have zero clue how any given branch operates, because you have zero time in service, so who are you to make that call?

    Well, in case you haven't noticed, we're not talking about art. We're talking about the armed services. If we were talking about art, I definitely wouldn't be prticipating in the thread, because I have as much knowledge about art as you do about the military. There's a lesson there for you. Think you can figure it out?
    Three paragraphs and you've yet to prove where anything I've said on Navy is wrong or even begin to address what is actually being said. What you've stated several times is 'I see no inconsistency' and 'you don't know what you're talking about'. That has been proven to be false. My statements do not stem from Navy's actual service but the particularities of them and how a lot of them have been called out as being gross exaggerations of facts.

    Your second paragraph is a fallacy. Not serving in the military does not mean you have knowledge of how a branch operates. That is like saying that because you do not make paint yourself, you wouldn't know how to use it. It simply does not follow.

    Your 3rd paragraph is a complete f'n lie as you have already introduced yourself into threads talking about socialism and then were found not to have a single f'n clue on what socialism actually was. Proving that you do in fact regularly talk about **** you're clueless about. Why don't you follow your own advice?

    What you want him to do? Scan and post his DD214 for us all to see? Personally, I don't see any inconsistencies in his story. He said he was based in Cam Ranh Bay. I'm sure you're unaware that Navy PBR units and boat teams were based in Cam Ranh Bay. A unit's base and it's area of operations are two different things. Just a little education for you.
    Are you still typing just to type? You must be. Cause I keep seeing your repeat yourself over and over again without actually making a point. What did I say about Navy being stationed in Cam Ranh Bay? Anywhere? Please show me? I had to put the only sentence in that entire diatribe of a paragraph in bolded letters because it shows your inability to understand that Navy's story in the military is not something which can be seen off a single post. Navy has 20K posts, to understand what is being talked about you'd have to actually - oh I don't know - have been here to understand. But since you haven't. What use is your opinion?

    Now personally, if I cared about what you thought, or knew? I'd drill a hole in the left side of my brain just so you and I could be on the same intellectual level. But since I have no intention of handicapping myself to the point where I am no longer able to comprehend what I am discussing, no thank you. Carrying on.

    I can't say enough, that this comment is coming from a man that knows jack **** about the services. If you did, you would already know that a ship's captain doesn't run the ship. Just like it's not the pilot's aircraft; it belongs to the crew chief that signed for it and is responsible for it's maintanance and combat readiness.
    Are you out of your alcoholic mind? Seriously - WHERE did I say this? Listen - if you're not even going to read what is actually being said or comprehend the difference between intentional hyperbole and what you think is being said - you should REALLY stop typing. What I did state was that Navy has on many occasions talked like he was running a ship.

    He's been called on it by people who just what people like him did in the military and Navy has ALWAYS to this day run away from the conversation. Why? Personally I don't know. But I've grown to the suspicion that he is so full of **** that if he started talking about what he actually did, he'd no longer be able to paint himself as somebody was really in the heat of it all as he usually does.

    So, at the end of the day, the only fallacy that you've seen is that he claimed that personel not serving in combat units didn't receive IDP. Am I right? Not a huge mistake for a serviceman who probably signed up for mud-n-blood duty because some silver tongue devil told him that he would receive IDP vs. hooking up with a cush gig that wasn't elligible for IDP. Now, you can better understand how I came to be in an MOS where I slid down a cheese grater, usingmy balls for breaks rather than going into some chilled out job series where I didn't have to dig the mud out of my ears every morning. Little did I know that IDP wasn't reinstated intil 1991, during Desert Storm.

    Oh, BTW, if you haven't PCS'd(Permanent Change of Station)to, or you're not already on a deployment status with your PPS(Permanent Party Station) in a TO(theater of operation) where IDP is authorized, you're not elligible for IDP. Personel who are TDY(Temporary Duty Yonder) in an operational combat theater aren't elligible. So, spending a sinlge day in a TO doesn't qualify a service member for IDP. Just like jumping out of an aircraft doesn't qualify one for jump pay, or PDP(parachute Duty Pay). One has to be on jump status, in an operational parachute unit, to qualify for jump pay. Yeah...know the 101st Airborne? They don't get PDP. Sorry to burst your ignorant little bubble there.
    No. If you actually knew how to follow a thread properly and had just an ounce of reading comprehension you would have understood that what has been called into question is some of Navy's claim not only regarding what he actually did in the service but some of the details in it.

    That is not a fallacy. Please! Please! Please! LOOK UP the definition of words before you try to use them. That is called an observation regarding the events that have unfolded. Navy stated you could only get A if you did B. This was shown to be false. Then he stated people didn't know about it cause it was at point 1. That was also shown to be false. Considering you've yet to even read a single post on the matter, and I know you haven't because you've completely misunderstood the crux of the matter, why is it that you are still talking? Please explain it to us? I'd love to find out. Because the injection of your person into a topic which you seem to be completely clueless about, as usual, is kind of annoying.
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    Re: Is it time to profile on airline flights?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Don't waste your time my friend........He is not worth the argument......He is clueless about hostile fire or combat pay as it is called and who is eligible for it.. ..................I am not even sure he is and American citizen.....
    What are you? A birther now? Here - I'll do you a favour - you post your military records and I'll post my California, SM birth certificate. Let's see who wins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    What are you? A birther now? Here - I'll do you a favour - you post your military records and I'll post my California, SM birth certificate. Let's see who wins.
    And just like that *poof* Navy is gone.
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